A majority of white people responding to this poll believe it's harder to get into college if you're white.
80% of white Republicans think this, but so do more than 50% of white Democrats.
The numbers are slightly less alarming among teenagers surveyed. Teenagers whose parents are Democrats provide some hope.
There are 3 problems here.
1. Most students are likely to get into most colleges.
1.1
There are over 900 community colleges in the US. Almost all are open admissions for all programs. The same is likely true for the 800 4-yr public and private, not-for-profit institutions that report no applications/admissions data to ED.
1.2
Among the ~1500 4-yr colleges that do report application data, more than 3/4 admit more than half their applicants.
1.3 So, respondents to this survey are not really talking about being admitted to college. They are talking about being admitted to highly rejective colleges (even if they don't know that they are).
2. It's generally more likely for a person to be admitted if they belong to a group that is desired by a college and that is scarce relative to the overall application pool.
2.1
So it's more likely for the following to get into many highly rejectives:
Recruited athletes
Children of donors
Legacies
People from Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakotas.
Applicants able to pay full freight.
Students at independent high schools.
2.2 Institutions have many priorities when it comes to admit pools. Racial and ethnic diversity is just one of them. Unlike those who made the list above, this is a good priority.
3. Racism
3.1 Do I need to elaborate? Really?
3.2 I guess I do, since a majority of white respondents, both Democrats and Republicans, believe a simplistic idea without doing any reckoning with the effects white supremacy have had on shaping applicant pools at highly rejective colleges.
3.3 This belief that a white person is "less likely" to get into colleges might be true all things being equal, but all things are not equal.
That's kind of the point of holistic admissions. GPA and test scores do not tell any applicant's whole story.
3.4 Teenagers provide some glimmer of hope. A minority of teenagers whose parents are Democrats think that being white makes it harder to get into college, which means that some of them are breaking the chain with their parents' racism.
3.5 We proponents of race-conscious admissions need to do a better job of explaining college admissions and fighting to make admissions more equitable.
I'd be a lot more interested in a piece that talked about how the decline in enrollment is largely from the for-profit and 2-yr sector and wrestled with why that's occurred. That, of course, would have to be in another newspaper.
That more interesting piece might want to take a good look at why as the for profit sector shrank, the share of women enrolled in it grew.
Honestly kind of surprised that the @UpshotNYT thought the Stanford paper about features computers can notice in college application essays was worth amplifying (again).
There's been some coverage of a boom in the number of students applying Early Decision or Restricted Early Action to college this fall. I'm much more interested in the number of students colleges are *admitting* early this year.
It's early days yet. Full numbers are not available at many places. Lots of colleges that do ED do 2 rounds of it, so it's too soon to compare this year with last year.
I don't care about surging application numbers or declining admit rates (funny how those travel together, right?), because that's an issue for the advantaged--and they'll be fine, despite the concerns of their consultants.
I told myself I would stop reading pieces about admissions lotteries. But I cracked and read that NYT piece. I expected the worst and it was worse than I expected.
Beyond all the inherent issues with lotteries that I talked about in that thread, here's what really bugged me about this piece: its condescension toward community college professors and presumption about instruction in the Ivy League.
The plan, of course, is hopelessly vague and impractical. The author seems to be proposing that the Ivy League use a lottery to admit students who typically enroll in community colleges.
A college degree can transform individuals, families, and communities. One problem is that we give too little recognition to the institutions that have the largest impact on social mobility. THREAD
Another problem is not all institutions lead to good outcomes for low-income students. That's why @EdReformNowUSA produced our Social Mobility Elevators brief, which identifies 4-yr institutions that have positive outcomes for students with Pell Grants. edreformnow.org/wp-content/upl…
The first and maybe most alarming thing we found was that there are only 614 4-yr colleges and universities out of almost 2,000 where students with Pell Grants are more likely to earn a degree than to leave without one and where students repay their loans at acceptable rates.