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10 Oct, 5 tweets, 2 min read
Thread: A) The government Scorecard is the government's. Colleges didn't move the goal posts. B) Federal reporting requirements include 4,5,and 6-year rates. Image
C) I did this about six years ago. It shows how grad rates are less meaningful than we might want them to be. highereddatastories.com/2015/03/anothe…
D) Grad rates are inputs, not outputs. Tell me the mean SAT score of your freshman class and I'll tell you how many will graduate. highereddatastories.com/2014/02/are-gr…
E) (No this does not imply that the SAT predicts grad rates for individual students. Don't @ me.)
Oh, and #EMTalk

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11 Oct
Thread: A slow weekend turned interesting when a student at Columbia, in response to a tweet suggesting the SAT and ACT were "good, actually" posted this chart.
It's a chart I've used several times before, and I explain the way I got the data (I even told people at ACT how I got the data from the tool they provide colleges), and I explain how to read it on a long post here. jonboeckenstedt.net/2020/01/10/som…
The responses are typical, of course, and offer nothing new by way of explanation. My favorite is always that the data make sense because "wealthy people are smarter."

Of course.
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27 Aug
Thread: I was in an online meeting today with people talking about making the college admissions process better. I was in a room with people who literally have forgotten more about statistics than I'll probably ever know.

So I guess I should have shut up. But I didn't.
In the room were faculty experts on measurement and assessment. People from CBOs and other NFPs who were trying to make a difference in the lives of students. High school counselors. People from testing companies. And a few people who had actually done admissions.
We heard a lot about what things we could collect to make prediction better. We heard about measuring potential, about the problems with grades, about new tests and new measures and better ways to "increase access."

The three of us from admissions waited our turn.
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4 Apr
Thread: This got a little crazy, and it's only been 18 hours. It's still going strong. Some observations:
I stopped trying to ❤️or reply to responses. It's impossible to keep up. So this will have to do: A mass reply-to-all, if you will.

Beyond that, there are a dozen side conversations happening, and I'm not going to get involved in the arguments, no matter how right one side is
I'm glad this touched a nerve with a lot of people. It was intended to (just maybe not so many?)

We in admissions never used to be the subject of much academic scrutiny; now the research appears to be non-stop. That's both good and bad, of course.
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4 Apr
Thread: We need to get a few things straight, people.

Those advocating for the return of the SAT in admissions because "other things seem to favor wealthy students" seem to be missing something.

Something kind of big.
Can you guess what it is?

I'll wait.

Go on, don't be afraid. I bet you know the answer but you're too shy to say it.
OK, here it is:

Everything (save perhaps one thing) in the admissions process favors wealthy students.

And people who actually do admissions for a living already know this. We don't need research to prove it to us.
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29 Mar
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Sigh. We know what this means: College admissions offices do not--because they cannot--visit every high school.

We do not have the staff or the time to visit every high school in our state each year, and we're a public university. hechingerreport.org/a-big-reason-r…
The problem of having people cover admissions who do not know--or haven't taken the time to learn--the business is that you get headlines like this based on faulty assumptions, namely, that "recruiting = visiting a high school."
Our job and our profession looks simple, as witnessed by anyone who's heard a trustee say, "we'll call on our alumni volunteers to help with recruiting." As if they'd do that when they need help with accounting or architecture or athletic coaching. Admissions is a profession.
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10 Mar
Thread: Here is a headline that's been making the rounds. Stop me if you've heard this from @DanRosensweig or any handful of others before:
Thing is, as I've tweeted before, he might be right. And it wouldn't matter too much.

Here's why.
Let's assume our focus is on the effects on undergraduates only. That makes sense, of course, as they are the biggest segment of the post-secondary market. As you can see, full-time undergrads (purple, FT UG) make up over half of all enrollment.
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