Thread: A slow weekend turned interesting when a student at Columbia, in response to a tweet suggesting the SAT and ACT were "good, actually" posted this chart.
It's a chart I've used several times before, and I explain the way I got the data (I even told people at ACT how I got the data from the tool they provide colleges), and I explain how to read it on a long post here. jonboeckenstedt.net/2020/01/10/som…
The responses are typical, of course, and offer nothing new by way of explanation. My favorite is always that the data make sense because "wealthy people are smarter."
Of course.
But for as long as I've been doing this, and for as long as I've looked at the ACT and SAT, something about my point has seemed odd to me. It's like the IKEA desk you assemble and find you have some pieces left over at the end. It was always in the back of my mind.
And then during discussions at the UC Board of Regents meeting, comments by @rothstein_jesse and Lark Park made everything come together: I'd been swayed by the arguments of College Board and ACT into thinking that admissions was just a prediction function.
I knew better.
In fact, at one of my first conferences as a young admissions officer, I listened to a DOA at one of the largest public universities in America say they only admitted applicants with predicted GPAs of 2.8 and above.
I asked him what the mean freshman GPA was.
He said 2.9.
So I knew, but I sort of got lost there.
Here's the deal: If you use tests where one group always comes out on top based on their opportunity, you're going to select people who are likely to come out on top based on their birth.
That probably suits some people just fine.
But is that what education should do? Just sort people into classes based on their level of opportunity and then perpetuate that level of opportunity?
I don't think so. But that's just me.
Perhaps my favorite blog post of all time is this one, where I show the ramp up in educational attainment since 1940, and suggest that America's post WWII economic expansion was directly tied to it highereddatastories.com/2019/08/change…
What changed after WWII was the GI Bill that made it possible for many people who were not destined to go to college to get that opportunity. And they didn't all go to the Ivy League, of course.
College made the difference. And I think it could again.
So, I picked up a lot of followers over the weekend based on that student's tweet and friends alerting me to it. Glad to have you on board.
The link in my pinned tweet will tell you what you're in for. Come for the higher ed, stay for the IPA bashing.
Thread: A) The government Scorecard is the government's. Colleges didn't move the goal posts. B) Federal reporting requirements include 4,5,and 6-year rates.
D) Grad rates are inputs, not outputs. Tell me the mean SAT score of your freshman class and I'll tell you how many will graduate. highereddatastories.com/2014/02/are-gr…
Thread: I was in an online meeting today with people talking about making the college admissions process better. I was in a room with people who literally have forgotten more about statistics than I'll probably ever know.
So I guess I should have shut up. But I didn't.
In the room were faculty experts on measurement and assessment. People from CBOs and other NFPs who were trying to make a difference in the lives of students. High school counselors. People from testing companies. And a few people who had actually done admissions.
We heard a lot about what things we could collect to make prediction better. We heard about measuring potential, about the problems with grades, about new tests and new measures and better ways to "increase access."
Sigh. We know what this means: College admissions offices do not--because they cannot--visit every high school.
We do not have the staff or the time to visit every high school in our state each year, and we're a public university. hechingerreport.org/a-big-reason-r…
The problem of having people cover admissions who do not know--or haven't taken the time to learn--the business is that you get headlines like this based on faulty assumptions, namely, that "recruiting = visiting a high school."
Our job and our profession looks simple, as witnessed by anyone who's heard a trustee say, "we'll call on our alumni volunteers to help with recruiting." As if they'd do that when they need help with accounting or architecture or athletic coaching. Admissions is a profession.
Thread: Here is a headline that's been making the rounds. Stop me if you've heard this from @DanRosensweig or any handful of others before:
Thing is, as I've tweeted before, he might be right. And it wouldn't matter too much.
Here's why.
Let's assume our focus is on the effects on undergraduates only. That makes sense, of course, as they are the biggest segment of the post-secondary market. As you can see, full-time undergrads (purple, FT UG) make up over half of all enrollment.