Thread by @redistrictAZ

And now @ArizonaIRC begins... Commissioner York has arrived -and is a VERY busy man. Follow along here.. or here:

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The team's all here.
Discussion of Public Comments received prior to today's meeting- I predict: they are thankful. And that they do not actually address anything substantive in the comments.

Neuberg says "Chain of Custody" was the problem wiht the @SALCLeaders map.

On Public Comments: Crickets from the four partisan commissioners. Chair Neuberg says "Thank you." Your feedback still matters. Even after Thursday. It will only be DRAFT. Will then embark on a fresh new tour and every decision will remain on the table.

Stay engaged because we are learning.

Dr. @ndc_doug says Dr. Handley's racially polarized voting report is completed and will be posted on the website. Chair Neuberg asks @ndc_doug where the public could find it on the website. He defers to staff. EDBSchmitt says: NEWSROOM

Now- Blah, blah from Neuberg--- something that makes more sense... Share your directions to mapping - so that when we meet on Thursday we will be ready tomato decisions - quickly when we meet.
Her goal:at the end of Thursday there is a template that all commissioners can support

On Leg. Maps:
Lerner: D17 and D 18 - believes suggested changes will create a more compact district. IN LD 17 include Marana and Oro Valley and Casa Adobes, Cat. Foothills, and Saddlebrooke if possible.

Part of my concern was about Tanque Verde -- would be mostly suburban - honors Com. Mehl request and makes it more compact. Also uses natural geo boundary of Santa Cat. mountain. Minimizes splits. Would also be competitive.

D17 might be 50/50; asks that these suggestions be presented on Thursday.
Comments on this?
Neuberg moves it along. We are not debating. Asks Lerner andWatchmen to play out their vision. Presumes Mehl and/or will present different revisions.

Mehl - appreciate Com. Lerner desire to see a different map drawn and we can look at it on Thursday.
2) D18 - Exchanges Casas Adobes and Tanque Verde. Primary, bec. Changes to D17;
3) D20 - move flowing wells into 20 to balance pop.

more on D20 - Flowing Wells in D 16 -- move back to 20;
4) D 19 - compact: add Rincon V and Vale: and area around it from D 17; closer to Cochise Co. - Davis Monthan could move into D21 -- shld balance pop
All changes make the districts more compact

5) LatinoDistricts: 20-21-23 - MM districts- balance interns of pop. no specifics on how... keep eye on HCVAP and performance

6) D17 added Mammoth, San Manuel and Oracle in last round - suggest adding to D7 -- many other communities inCopper Corridor -

a better fit for them for COI - in all these changes I have carefully considered all the constitutional. criteria...
Falhan asks about cutting on county line? Yes.

7) Add Coolidge to D 16 -- would include them join Casa Grande, Maricopa and Eloy -would be a better fit

One suggestion for Maricopa -
D4: bring communities together - make Paradise Valley whole; affects D8 -
Neuberg - sees competing visions-- Says not starting over today... then York and Neuberg jump into convo
Neuberg concerned w/Papago Park - more Phx...

Decide to come back to this on Thursday

@ndc_doug - seeks clarification about any changes

Jumping to Commissioner York Because he is a very busy and important person...
He says we worked hard for six days - don't want changes. I am happy he says w/ Maricopa Co.

Mehl. Believe 8.0 would-be a good DRAFT map

His thought for a third map for consideration

1) Flowing Wells - swap between D16 and D20 give D2 everything W of I-10; D16 gets Tucson Estates;
2) extend D 17 up to Red Rock - Mammoth, Oracle and San Manuel could go to D7 - up to @ndc_doug not a priority for D 17
3) Below Vale - a small triangle - Wentworth Rd.

in D 19 - could move to D 17
4) D7 could use pop Mammoth, Oracle and San Manuel

5) D19 - on its own-- take D21 -- Davis Monthan and connect to D17 substantially to I-10; take out of D21 Quail Creek, Amato and eastern Santa Cruz.
Wld helps compactness and COI

Dr @ndc_doug asks clarification -- meant D 16, not D 17

This will give us threemapsto look at on Thursday and allow us to consider Maricopa

Com. Watchman supports suggested changes suggested - asks that we check in w/ Latino Coalition - esp. since these changes are adopted from business community .

Seeking to get feedback from Am Indian communities.
We have to keep six const. requirements in mind.

Com. Neuberg - once a group summits a map and then we vote on it - its becomes "OUR" map and we will continue to make adjustments.

A great plan -she says - looking forward to seeing new plans -- Will be just a starting point -- we need to bring competing visions together

that we feel good enough about to go forward.

ON TO CONGRESSIONAL 6.0
Phx Mountain Reserve area --
York - Direction on VRA and pop equalization
We were hoping to have "your gal in LA" -- I think he is referring to Dr. Lisa Handley

She has made some analysis of CD 3 -- but legal has not reviewed...
Com Neuberg recites the six constitutional criteria...

@ndc_doug recites CD 3 and CD 7 HCVAP and performance - spreadsheet is updated --

New column -- reflects how Am Indian population is counted

debate over how census categories were used... looking at data in different ways

Com. Mehl thinks this CD 6.0 is good enough -- letter from Mayor Romero in Tucson agree w/ her comments -- He would be committed to looking at the changes she is suggesting -- in the FINAL mapping stages..

Neuberg asks - to substantial to address on Thursday

Mehl - would trigger many other changes and could take us in several directions
York: I am waiting for legal report/RPV analysis --

dr @ndc_doug as legal reviews the numbers -- would the commission be comfortable if we draw that ..
Legal: VRA data being used comes from @timmonsgroup and @ndc_doug - understand that legal advice is outside that scope...

Neuberg - I am comfortable with that -- and I am comfortable with you adjusting to incorporate suggestions for Mayor Romero

Mehl: I would like to get opinions about changes to @SALCLeaders --
York ok with changes
Lerner - Since the Mayor's letter came in while we are

looking at this, we shoudl discuss it as part of this discussion. I suggest we look at it w/ detail on Thursday.

SPONSOR BREAK
So the @SALCLeaders can submit 8 LD districts that interrupt 5 days of mapping; and @TucsonRomero submits a letter suggesting issues

and they need to take time to review.

Tell me: Is this a level playing field?

BACK TO REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING
Lerner: CD suggestions
1) adding Sunny Slope and N Mnt Preserve to D1
2) CC, C, NR to D8

OK w/ you Com York - to take a look at this in more detail on Thursday?

Yes, he says, we can look at that on Thursday

Mehl:Says and let's start

with CD on Thursday and then just choose among one of the three.

Lerner: to expedite the process - provide changes in advance

Neuberg: No all changes have to be done in public

Neuberg says - we are setting ourselves up for success. Sounds completely patronizing/ matronizing?

Commissioner York leaves because he is a VERY IMPORTANT and BUSY person. Redistricting responsibilities for the state of Arizona is just a small side project in his life.

Data for Am Indian pop can be found AZ Standard Demo now; 140 maps submitters; Neuberg asks for comparison other states (petty much?)

Lerner: I have a comment about how to set the stage for public engagement - not requesting a change -

Neuberg - None of us will like the map perfectly - we can have an affirmative vote - and clarify what they like and don't like bec. we will haves more weeks of deliberation

Now @timmonsgroup is ONCE F#$%^& AGIAN giving a tutorial on how to comment on the submitted maps -- a system built by engineers for engineers...

Ex Dir Report; LoriVH on the tour: Final list of locations, dates and times will be announced on Thursday first thing...
Updated budget will be provided on Thursday says ExDir BSCHmitt
Future agenda items - dates and methods for deliberation in Dec - Neuberg has IDEAS

Mehl - important and it was hard for me to do back to back meetings - maybe 2-1-2-1 on off; Neuberg agrees - will find time to robustly deliberate - suggests 8 days of deliberation
Lerner and Watchman concur as well - suggests weekends also ok

Schedules -- Dec 20 - 21 - 22; all available
Dec 16 and 17 (8:30 - 3:00 on the 17th)
Dec 6 (maybe virtual - a replay of today), 9

No plan for meeting next Tuesday (11/2)

Adjourned at 1:29:29

Just goes to prove -something. More later..