OK - now US v. #GhislaineMaxwell final-final pre-trial hearing. @sdnylive Judge Alison Nathan will be addressing which experts can testify - then will seal the courtroom. Inner City Press is covering the case innercitypress.com/sdnytrial6maxw… & will live tweet, thread below
Judge Nathan: We've had 565 prospective jurors fill out the questionnaire. Friday we'll get a hundred or so more. That will give the parties additional time to confer, on a fewer questionnaires. Alright. We'll also do Nov 15 at 9:30, pre voir dire
Judge Nathan: Then, a [final-final] final pre-trial conference.
Maxwell's lawyer: When do we begin voir dire?
Judge Nathan: I believe 9 am.
Maxwell lawyer: One of our team has a hearing in Colorado and can't appear at the [final-final] final
Judge Nathan: So let's begin with the Daubert [expert] hearing. 1st witness, Doctor Rocchio.
[Inner City Press covered her: innercitypress.com/sdny89dmaxwell… ]
Witness: I am Lisa Rocchio.
AUSA Lara Pomerantz: Before your PhD, any degree?
Rocchio: Masters from URI. PhD too.
AUSA Pomerantz: How much time did you spent working with patients?
Rocchio: 500 to 1000 hours while getting my degree, plus a one year doctor's fellowship. 100s of patients, issues related to traumatic stress, suicidality, violence
AUSA Pomerantz: How many employees do you have?
Rocchio: Seven at the present time.
AUSA Pomerantz: How old were the patients you've treated for sexual abuse when the abuse occurred?
Rocchio. 13... I'm on the voluntarily faculty of Brown U
AUSA Pomerantz: Is this your C.V.?
Rocchio: Yes. But it doesn't include my recent promotion.
AUSA Pomerantz: We offer Exhibit 1.
Maxwell's lawyer: No objection for purposes of today.
AUSA Pomerantz: How is most sexual abuse of children carried out?
Rocchio: In the context of a relationship.
AUSA Pomerantz: Are you familiar with grooming?
Rocchio: I am.
AUSA Pomerantz: Describe grooming.
Rocchio: Victim is identified then isolated. Like in a Boy Scouts troop. It's akin to what 2 adults might do in a courtship
Rocchio: They might groom an institution, like working their way up through the Boy Scouts.
AUSA Pomerantz: Some strategies?
Rocchio: Gift gifting. Tickling. Massages. Talking about sex. Normalizing sexualized behaviors and gradually moving the line to abuse
AUSA: What about substantiated cases of abuse?
Rocchio: It's where it's admitted or resulted in conviction. Or young children with venereal diseases.
AUSA: Gov Ex 2.
Rocchio: It's an article about coercive control.
Defense: No objection for purposes of today
[The exhibit / article has, as one of its listed keywords, "predatory tactics."]
Judge Nathan: You cited pimp and sex worker - trauma bonding. What's the similarity?
Rocchio: The pimp subjugates the sex worker, like a sex trafficker does.
Judge Nathan: Thank you.
Rocchio: My patients say, He bought me sneakers. That impacts the individuals self-blame and feelings of shame.
AUSA: Is the concept of grooming accepted?
Rocchio: Yes.
AUSA: Who is more at risk?
Rocchio: Needy, vulnerable, prior history as a victim.
Rocchio: Those from single parent homes, "sexual minority children," the poor.
AUSA: What is this based on?
Rocchio: My education and training.
Now shown as Government Exhibit: statistical table of how child sex victims are targeted.
[Note: This direct examination could have been done in writing, and get straight to the cross examination. #JustSayin
AUSA: The defense has argued that a victim's prior sexual experience is relevant to the concept of groom- that is, whether or not a person had prior sexual experience makes them more vulnerable.
Rocchio: Even theoretically I don't understand how that could be true
AUSA: Look at Government Exhibit 721. Do you recognize it?
Kane: An enrollment application for a student.
AUSA: Don't say the name. Is it an accurate copy?
Kane: Yes.
Maxwell's lawyer: Objection - hearsay!
AUSA: It's a business record.
Judge Nathan: Overruled.
Maxwell's lawyer: Can I question the witness?
Judge Nathan: Go ahead.
Maxwell's lawyer: The Professional Children's School doesn't verify the accuracy of the info on the form, does it?
Kane: I think they do.
Maxwell's lawyer: All of it?
Kane: That, I don't know.
OK - In US v. #GhislaineMaxwell, now final segment before end of Day 3, it's Victim Jane's ex-boyfriend "Matt," uses pseudonym. Inner City Press covered AM innercitypress.com/sdnytrial31max… & will live tweet, thread below
AUSA Moe: How do you know Jane?
Matt: She's my ex-girlfriend. From 2006 to 2014.
AUSA: Did you live together?
Matt: Yes. From 2007 to 2014.
AUSA: Are you still friends?
Matt: Yes. And we work on the same TV show.
AUSA: What did Jane tell you about her home life?
Maxwell's lawyer: Objection.
Judge Nathan: Any foundation?
Maxwell's lawyer: It's hearsay.
[Another non-public sidebar]
OK - In US v. #GhislaineMaxwell, now after lunch break, more cross-examination of Victim 1 "Jane," with Maxwell's lawyer insisting Jane has mis-remembered & is motivated by money. Inner City Press covered AM innercitypress.com/sdnytrial31max… & will live tweet, thread below
Menninger: So you went to a specialized entertainment school, right?
Menninger: And since then you've played roles like cancer patient?
Jane: Yes.
Menninger: Prostitute?
Jane: No.
Menninger: You can cry on command?
Menninger: You're accusations in this case include that you were 14 went you were abused, right?
Jane: Yes.
Menninger: But you first told the government you were 13, right?
Jane: I might have said 13 going on 14. It's a small technicality.
OK - In US v. #GhislaineMaxwell, now after 11 am break cross-examination of Victim 1 "Jane" is continuing, with Maxwell's lawyer claiming Jane has mis-remembered. Inner City Press covered the morning innercitypress.com/sdnytrial31max… and will live tweet, thread below
Maxwell's lawyer Menninger: You testified yesterday your first has sex with Epstein in his pool house in Florida. But you told the government it was in New York.
Jane: Those are not my notes. I did not write that down and it was not recorded.
Menninger: You told them you only remembered one incident in NY when Ghislaine was present.
Jane: I don't recall.
Menninger: Look at 3509-003. Hasn't your story changed?
Jane: I didn't understand the question.
Judge Nathan: If what the defense bring in is impeachment [of the Witness] material, it's not a Rule 16 issue.
AUSA Rohrbach: It should have been disclosed; it is about a collateral matter.
[Note: these are the lawyers' arguments before the jury comes in at 9:30]
AUSA: The witness couldn't even recognize the photo, & it wasn't impeachment of what she said on the stand.
Judge Nathan: What is the US' understanding of when the witness lived in the address in the [FBI] 302?
AUSA Alison Moe: At 14 she was living in a pool house
OK - now US v. #GhislaineMaxwell trial Day 2, afternoon. Epstein's pilot Visoski still on the stand. AUSA asks Judge to tell court arts not to sketch some witnesses. Inner City Press is reporting innercitypress.com/sdnytrial30max… & will live tweet - thread below
Judge Nathan: Mr. Everdell, you may continue with your cross examination of Mr Visoski. And Mr. Visoski, I remind you that you are under oath.
Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: People liked to go hiking on the Zorro Ranch, right?
Visoski: Yes.
Everdell: But since there were snakes, one needed boots, right?
Visoski: Yes, that would be preferred.
Everdell: And you never saw Ghislaine looking pregnant, did you?
Visoski: I never did.