1/ I want to take a moment to have a back-and-forth exchange with @MichaelMindrum in a thread, and I’m just gonna keep it to us (Tweet setting) I’m confident we can keep it productive. 👍
First, I think we should get on the same page with where I’m coming from..
2/ I’m not just interested in high LDL for LMHRs. I’m interested in whether it’s meaningful to distinguish high LDL from what appears to be lipid metabolic dysregulation versus high LDL in the context of metabolic fat adaptation.
3/ Much of those following this account know this already from following my work, but often critics do not.
That’s why I’d love to specificity talk to a critic I like, such as yourself, and really unpack this so we can better narrow down where the real disagreements are.
4/ Which brings me back to the two different contexts.
By this point, I hope you‘s agree I rarely discuss LDL risk in isolation – I’m specifically interested in lipid profiles — combination lipid data, like the triad (⬆️LDL+⬆️HDL+⬇️TG)
5/ Or to put it another way, I would consider the following atherogenic dyslipidemic profile as very concerning: ⬆️LDL+⬇️HDL+⬆️TG
… even if high LDL is the common denominator between both profiles.
6/ (⬆️LDL+⬆️HDL+⬇️TG) is understudied, but the limited data we do have shows it has a great deal of relevance toward cardiovascular outcome.
That’s where my focus is – not on LDL alone – much less on data around LDL without context into metabolic health or genetic abnormalities
7/ and that has to be the starting point for any in-depth discussion on what I personally hypothesize regarding ApoB/LDL and its role in this larger puzzle of energy distribution and risk. CholesterolCode.com/model
8/ So before going further – I really do want to be sure that you understand this important point. That I believe lipid profiles are more often a reflection of health or disease than they are drivers of it. But I also acknowledge this is a hypothesis being tested/researched…
9/ Can I confirm you follow me fully up to this point?
It’s important– because I want to avoid further reductionism toward simply LDL in isolation past this.
(if you think most who follow this account believe it’s all about LDL and not about the above, I’m happy to poll again)
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1/ this one minute clip was released by @chadinabhan an hour ago, and when I watched it I got a bit concerned that it takes a clip out of context and DMed Chadi about it.
He rightly pointed out my reaction was misplaced as this was strictly a teaser.
As many of you know, we're conducting a study on #LMHRs (link later in thread) who not only have extremely high #LDL#Cholesterol, but many (likely most) have diets quite contrary to this advice by the @American_Heart.
2/ First, and most importantly, we do not know what the outcome of this prospective study is. So while I'll be outlining commonalities we observe with #LMHRs, this isn't an explicit endorsement of the diet nor any altered lipid levels as a result.
With that said...
3/ We have a lot of data between our standing survey, submissions to CholesterolCode.com, and CC and LMHR Facebook groups (7.7k and 7.5k members, respectively).
Diets are often: 1) Low to no fruits & veg 2) Low to no grains 3) High animal protein 4) Low in plant oils
I now suspect #PlantBasedLowCarb (PBLC) isn't as low carb as originally thought.
Before getting started in this thread, I should emphasize I wouldn't consider this a good or bad thing in and of itself, but it is of interest, ofc...
2/ Moreover, I've regularly pointed to people following my work who are both (1) very interested in a low carb diet, but (2) would prefer to keep their #LDL low to consider PBLC as a "third option", as I commonly see it associates with this outcome.
Now to my hypothesis...
3/ PBLC generally has two major features separating it from "typical" #keto/#lchf:
1) More fat sourced from mono and polyunsaturated fatty acids (M/PUFA) instead of saturated fatty acids (SFA)
2) A lot more soluble and insoluble fiber via plants
2/ Imagine a room full of people at tables being served with trays of food regularly coming from the kitchen moved around the room by waiters.
No one is particularly famished, but they aren't especially full either, so they are absently taking food off the trays to maintain...
3/ However, a few guests at one table leave to get some exercise and return quit hungry.
And here's the catch: You can't tell specific people to do specific things (including the waiters), but you can say things to the entire room. Is there a way to solve this puzzle?