@justamom1st@1s2atomexit Actually, people have the right to freedom of thought and belief
So they can choose any religion, philosophy or ideology they like to make sense of their own psyche
This right has historically been deprived from people with disabilities
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit So we negotiated the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, a multilateral UN treaty that has now been ratified by 80% of the UN
A treaty like this is a promise by ratifying states to stop discriminating against people with perceived or actual disability
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit What is disability? Good question. The #UNCRPD preamble specifically states that disability is not defined because it is an evolving construct however CRPD has been negotiated to implement the rights based model of disability
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit The traditional way that nasty, bigoted, society looks at disability is through the medical model of disability, disability they say is individual Inferiority of body or mind that should be eliminated
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit "Mental illness" arose from the idea of mental aberration, originally claimed a brain lesion, but there never was any brain lesion, that was just a ploy to put the physicians, still bleeding ppl & applying leeches, in control of those being locked up madhouses
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit The true social origins of "mental aberration" really seems to be "those who are outcast"
Including, of course, homosexuality that was both criminal and a mental aberration scheduled for "correction" most lately by ECT to genintials & chemicals to repress gay "urges"
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit This only started to end in 1970s and many psychiatrists were very publically &openly against it, insisting homosexuality was a mental aberration
So is being gay Disability?
Very good question, in 1950 probably was, for sure, LGBTQ were part of the psychiatric survivour movement
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit So the medical model of disability, was understandably rejected by the worldwide disability community (while gay people found another road to freedom, and ceded their membership)
The social model of disability is disability as unaccommodated diversity
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit Under the pure version of social model, no characteristics are disabling on themselves, they are merely diverse, disabling aspect only occurs because the community is set up to arbitrarily privilege certain characteristics, and arbitrarily Prejudice and fail to accomodate others
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit If not for arbitrary differential inclusion/exclusion, punishment/reward behaviour, and all characteristics were accomodated and given conditions to thrive would all have different abilities &characteristics but none would be unfairly disadvantaged- there would be no disability
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit Though an improvement on the medical model, completely reversing the onus from some natural "inferiority" in outcast , excluded or unaccommodated persons to placing the blame on the exclusion itself, challenging the false claim of "superiority" of included characteristics
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit Some people, with some Disabilities, said it didn't fairly recognise that there were certain aspects of their disability that it wouldn't be possible for society to take away with accomodation
They wanted recognition there were some difficulties inherent to their characteristics
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit So the rights based model evolved.
The rights based model doesn't put any kind of reified ideological construct on other people
It gives everyone inalienable, nonderogable, individual rights, to define themselves and gain full inclusion and participation, with support if wanted
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit To achieve that of will & preferences free ft undue pressure or influence, including manipulation, deception, domination, deprivation of options
So people need to realise that trying to come up with a unified theory about other people and impose that on them unsolicited
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit Without their consent or against their objection is a breach of the responsibility not to breach others' rights
It's essentially, an attempt to dominate
Under the rights based model, we all get out own will & preferences
So we have a responsibility not to define other people
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit Unfortunately, it seems we are so used to fighting for dominion over one another, we don't yet understand the importance of respecting individual rights instead
But rights and responsibilities like this are fair
It means I don't get to define you nor you me
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit But if you try to define me or I you, than the person whose rights have been disrespected should be able to seek an end to that attempt to dominate
I don't understand why people instead try to firm factions and fight to impose their own will & preferences on others
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit It reminds me of religions that could be living side by side in peace & harmony
Instead trying to dominate one another and force their own ideology to be the one everyone has to follow
The kind of behaviour that leads to war, programs, Inquisitions
Why do people do it?
@1s2atomexit Yes, it should
ethical norms of psychiatry & psychology, counseling too
The entire, so called, "mental health" sector, need to be rewritten
In fact, there shouldn't be a "mental health" sector, at all
That in itself is manipulation, deception, domination, deprivation of options
@1s2atomexit The very first step for anyone who decided to seek support for some temporarily or long term circumstances they are finding disabling should be to be fully informed of their rights under CRPD Guidance, to ensure they understand them
@1s2atomexit Every guilds offerings, constructs etc need to be presented fully and honestly, as nothing more than optional constructs & ideally there should be *independent* deceion making support available to decide what things people wish to choose
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive By now, every stakeholder (anyone who may affect or be affected by policy) should know & understand their individual rights under CRPD guidance, their consequent responsibilities to respect others' rights
should understand the spirit too: individual rights, not "best interests"
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive So there should be a really careful and transparent process that all people providing disability services
Those services people with disabilities might choose to use in exercising their individual right to support for full inclusion & participation
@HengartnerMP Well, you have already started practicing manipulation, deception, deprivation of options & domination @HengartnerMP
By making statement your intent is to "help people with mental health problems"
Convention on Rights of Persons with disabilities is new nondiscrimination treaty
@HengartnerMP So I understand, people don't yet realise their unconscious domination, manipulation, deception, deprivation of options.
They may actually believe there is such a thing as inferior people to them, people whose mentality needs "help" becoming as their own, purportedly superior one
@HengartnerMP That's common, in fact it's the norm, throughout the history of post colonial western social development: the prior social development was on basis of an assumed "natural order" of inferiority and superiority, where the inferior obey the superior, and the superior rise in status
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda I think problem, whether psychologists or anybody else, is that we have not had any space to logically, fairly, and reasonably discuss the complex issues of the balancing of rights and responsibilities in an unprecedented pandemic. Furthermore vaccines have been overrelied upon
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda In wealthy, developed countries, there was no excuse not to use border control, quarrantine and a host of other measures to stamp the virus out, with vaccines & subsequent medicine technology forming one tool in a toolbox based on traditional safety management
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda ( like in other controlled diseases)
Antivaxx propaganda been run on a pyramid scheme of manipulation, has been arrogance and theorising by people who have no idea how these manipulation pyramids work, or are themselves perpetrators (or victims, or both) of them in other domains
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic I'm disgusted @ClinpsychLucy
You flew to my country& state of origin
Specifically to work on ingratiating your ridiculous framework
With people who have not got their head around CRPD rights or its importance
That's an act of power against a marginalised diverse group of people
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic We need these actors focused on understanding our painstakingly negotiated human rights treaty guidance & the wise and considered steps and guidance for its implementation, to bring Psychosocial disability in line w/ wider disability in understanding of rights & responsibilities
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic There is a world of marginalisation, that unfortunately even our representatives and representative structures are not fully understanding.
It's incredibly difficult to have conversations about it, too
Because it's easily misinterpreted
There's already been a difficulty
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay Because if you *do* mean to imply jumping up and down trying to get people to understand & respect rights is pushing individual "view" or "belief"
Really saying we *don't* respect needs or viewpoints of anyone but our group & when people ask us to, we regard then as an imposition
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay Why do you think people have to jump up and down?
If not purely because not only are their own needs, will & preferences being respected, but there's a whole system of marginalisation, wherein if you are similar enough to get accepted into one of the cliques you get heard there
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay So long as you keep your needs concealed and only express those narrow enough to fit the group persona, and the group's narrow little focus on piddling places of inclusion in the context of a society excluding & gatekeeping by design
And so long as you are willing to shun