@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive By now, every stakeholder (anyone who may affect or be affected by policy) should know & understand their individual rights under CRPD guidance, their consequent responsibilities to respect others' rights
should understand the spirit too: individual rights, not "best interests"
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive So there should be a really careful and transparent process that all people providing disability services
Those services people with disabilities might choose to use in exercising their individual right to support for full inclusion & participation
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Of will & preferences free from undue pressure and influence, including any sign of manipulation, deception domination, deprivation of options
That includes no reification of ideology hype or competitiveness based on a "best interests" premise
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Each person has the will & preferences of one, only one
If they are a provider they don't get to use cult of personality to try and say what is or isn't on others' "best interests" this is deliberately using undue influence & pressure
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive They should ensure everyone they talk to understands their rights, every term or theory is introduced and explained as the optional construct it is, never just named as reified allusion
Nobody claims to be an "expert" on others' psyche or "best interests"
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive It also means the end to the "unreliability" industry and the associated "mental health assessment" industry
That's a huge, huge shift in psychiatry and psychology and it's a dirty little secret they are pretending its not still going on
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive So there is a massive amount of work guilds should be doing
Because they basically have to rewrite all their historically established ethical norms
It will make their jobs much less exciting
Because cults of personality and drama are a ride
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Bur emotional rollercoasters aren't exactly condusive to carefully avoiding impairing the quality of consent with undue influence & pressure
And boringly but clearly explaining everything for informed choice
Are they?
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Depending on the particular individual, their failure to be contributing to the unpacking and rewriting of their historical ethical norms is an issue in itself
But there's also ways in which they follow their historical norms which are actually based in manipulation, deception
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Domination, deprivation of options.
Based in hype, upselling, recommending, publicity tours, all kinds of things that nobody thinks twice about because that's how we make a buck, right?
Well they can do that with chicklit, they don't have to do it with people rights to inclusion
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive All the things that draw attention to people and make them a cult of personality are impairing the quality of consent
People can choose whatever they like for their reasonable and necessary will & preferences support, but they have to argue for it
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Because what government is just going to give people a blank cheque?
So it's a pretty solemn, serious sensible process to decide what you want funded
Providers aren't supposed to make it a field day to get followers or entice people into their ideas
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive And knowing, as they do, that people haven't actually been given education to understand their rights
The ethical thing to do is to carefully explain those rights to people straight up
Then to carefully distinguish between what they are offering and what the rights are
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive They should avoid *any* temptation to carry out *any* behaviour to encourage people to choose what they are offering
The thing that needs publicity, is rights itself
Humble offerings should be taking care *not* to try and make themselves stand out to increase
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Likelihood of being chosen
So cultivation of celebrity is questionable in itself
Why are they doing this?
Fame might be fun
But it's also frivolity
That's all centred around garnering attention to oneself
Nothing wrong with that of you're into it
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive But not on something like this, surely?
How can it do anything other than draw attention away from both the rights themselves and the process of exercising them without any sign of manipulation, deception, domination, deprivation of options
Marketing & hype, are just those things
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive So do I know, howperson as colourful as @DrJessTaylor who is at least partially writing out of her own experience & expressing things of great meaning to her big part of her personality and self expression should get to keep doing that without impairing others' consent?
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive No, of course I don't!
That's why I'm just asking her to spend some time considering that, herself.
I have seen her overstepping the mark on several occasions
Like; the drama over ADHD vs trauma
Never could have happened if she took care to understand & respect individual rights
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Trauma and ADHD are two different ideologies, that people could use, either together or alone to make sense of a particular range of experiences that some people experience
Neither one should be reified or used competitively
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive All stakeholders should know, and be explained adnauseum that each is simply a construction, that some may or may not find helpful
They can choose, not choose, pick and mix, modify make their own, go for something completely different it's all up to them!
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive If they are experiencing a functional disability: some disadvantages circumstances, their right to access support isn't linked to any ideological construction
They merely need describe the actual facts & circumstances for how they are being affected to be entitled to support
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive And entitled to reasonable adjustments to meet their *individual* circumstances and reasonable choices
It's individual
Not collective
Not based in stereotypes
Will & preferences, not "best interests"
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Of the court is treating people as unreliable based in stereotypes, the answer is to stop the court doing so
Psychology in the court is very dodgy to begin with
Strong arguments it's wildly inappropriate in many circumstances, being used to claim "expertise" and provide evidence
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Sometimes of injury done to a person in eg DV
But sometimes, not uncommonly, as part of the unreliability industry
There's a hell of a lot of work to do to get disability based Prejudice out of the legal system
If @DrJessTaylor comes up against that, she should tread lightly
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive Making sure she isn't acting to try to *increase* the power that support professions have over people with disabilities, as their historical role is *not* that of a support profession
But a claimed "expert" on others' psyche (deception, who can know the mind of another?)
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive And a force to repress ppls choices and rights in the name of unreliability, protectionism, and "best interests" (domination)
These are very troubled waters of entrenched intergenerational predjudice and power that we are trying to end, not worsten
@12butterflysfly@DrJessTaylor@Jaimi_Shrive All I ask is @DrJessTaylor take time to read CRPD and all its guidance, the IDAs steps after Ratification
Start to understand disability rights
Why it exists
What it's trying to achieve
Consider her own ethics around how to promote not distort that
And converse on her ideas 🤷🏻♀️
@1s2atomexit Yes, it should
ethical norms of psychiatry & psychology, counseling too
The entire, so called, "mental health" sector, need to be rewritten
In fact, there shouldn't be a "mental health" sector, at all
That in itself is manipulation, deception, domination, deprivation of options
@1s2atomexit The very first step for anyone who decided to seek support for some temporarily or long term circumstances they are finding disabling should be to be fully informed of their rights under CRPD Guidance, to ensure they understand them
@1s2atomexit Every guilds offerings, constructs etc need to be presented fully and honestly, as nothing more than optional constructs & ideally there should be *independent* deceion making support available to decide what things people wish to choose
@HengartnerMP Well, you have already started practicing manipulation, deception, deprivation of options & domination @HengartnerMP
By making statement your intent is to "help people with mental health problems"
Convention on Rights of Persons with disabilities is new nondiscrimination treaty
@HengartnerMP So I understand, people don't yet realise their unconscious domination, manipulation, deception, deprivation of options.
They may actually believe there is such a thing as inferior people to them, people whose mentality needs "help" becoming as their own, purportedly superior one
@HengartnerMP That's common, in fact it's the norm, throughout the history of post colonial western social development: the prior social development was on basis of an assumed "natural order" of inferiority and superiority, where the inferior obey the superior, and the superior rise in status
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit Actually, people have the right to freedom of thought and belief
So they can choose any religion, philosophy or ideology they like to make sense of their own psyche
This right has historically been deprived from people with disabilities
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit So we negotiated the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, a multilateral UN treaty that has now been ratified by 80% of the UN
A treaty like this is a promise by ratifying states to stop discriminating against people with perceived or actual disability
@justamom1st@1s2atomexit What is disability? Good question. The #UNCRPD preamble specifically states that disability is not defined because it is an evolving construct however CRPD has been negotiated to implement the rights based model of disability
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda I think problem, whether psychologists or anybody else, is that we have not had any space to logically, fairly, and reasonably discuss the complex issues of the balancing of rights and responsibilities in an unprecedented pandemic. Furthermore vaccines have been overrelied upon
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda In wealthy, developed countries, there was no excuse not to use border control, quarrantine and a host of other measures to stamp the virus out, with vaccines & subsequent medicine technology forming one tool in a toolbox based on traditional safety management
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda ( like in other controlled diseases)
Antivaxx propaganda been run on a pyramid scheme of manipulation, has been arrogance and theorising by people who have no idea how these manipulation pyramids work, or are themselves perpetrators (or victims, or both) of them in other domains
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic I'm disgusted @ClinpsychLucy
You flew to my country& state of origin
Specifically to work on ingratiating your ridiculous framework
With people who have not got their head around CRPD rights or its importance
That's an act of power against a marginalised diverse group of people
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic We need these actors focused on understanding our painstakingly negotiated human rights treaty guidance & the wise and considered steps and guidance for its implementation, to bring Psychosocial disability in line w/ wider disability in understanding of rights & responsibilities
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic There is a world of marginalisation, that unfortunately even our representatives and representative structures are not fully understanding.
It's incredibly difficult to have conversations about it, too
Because it's easily misinterpreted
There's already been a difficulty
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay Because if you *do* mean to imply jumping up and down trying to get people to understand & respect rights is pushing individual "view" or "belief"
Really saying we *don't* respect needs or viewpoints of anyone but our group & when people ask us to, we regard then as an imposition
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay Why do you think people have to jump up and down?
If not purely because not only are their own needs, will & preferences being respected, but there's a whole system of marginalisation, wherein if you are similar enough to get accepted into one of the cliques you get heard there
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay So long as you keep your needs concealed and only express those narrow enough to fit the group persona, and the group's narrow little focus on piddling places of inclusion in the context of a society excluding & gatekeeping by design
And so long as you are willing to shun