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The matter, Carmona, R.N., is that if you know anything about 1st C Judaism, you’ll know that the term “resurrection” was almost always understood to mean the general resurrection of the dead at the end of the world.
Jesus’ followers would have understood his statements about his resurrection to refer to this communal, eschatological, event…not his own “special” resurrection dropped into the middle of history.
Here’s Dale Allison (The Resurrection of Jesus, 198 & 206). ⬇️
The verse you referenced, Mark 9:30-32, says, “they will kill him, and three days after being killed, he will rise again.” The term, “in three days” or “three days after” likely harkens back to Hosea 6:2. ⬇️ The “third day” was the day of the Lord’s salvation.
This supports the notion that they would be vindicated at the Eschaton at the end of time. This hope in times of tribulation is consistent with Jewish martyrdom literature of the period.

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#Thread Several naturalistic explanations have long been proposed for the resurrection of Jesus. One in particular that has been frequently discussed, especially on social media, is cognitive dissonance.
Essentially, the cognitive dissonance explanation states that Jesus’ followers had totally committed themselves to the belief that when he arrived in Jerusalem he would establish himself as messiah and usher in the eschatological Kingdom of God.
When Jesus was instead arrested and brutally crucified, the cold reality of his death powerfully disconfirmed their strongly held beliefs. The crucifixion, in other words, plunged Jesus’ followers into a state of cognitive dissonance.
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“According to Jesus, to understand God and his kingdom, Torah as it stands does not have the final word. It needs to be reshaped. “Fulfilling Torah,” ironically, means going beyond the words on the page and to another level, which is where you find the heart of God…
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@MatthewHartke often promotes cognitive dissonance theory as an explanation for the rise of early Christianity. So I read a piece he recommended entitled “The Process of Jesus’ Deification and Cognitive Dissonance Theory” by F. Bermejo-Rubio. See my thoughts below.
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