Really interesting 168-strong survey, though a shame that only 2 surrogate mothers responded, so with an unintentional focus on those who benefit from #surrogacy it collects key data with balance provided. Our analysis follows. Epic 🧵 1.
2. Same sex respondents (9), 5 admit to using ‘legal loopholes’ to access #commercialsurrogacy in #Ukraine – laws there only permit infertile heterosexual couples to apply for #surrogacy
3. Reason for choosing #surrogacy: #adoption was restricted or not available (this refers to other countries, UK does not discriminate legally against same-sex couples) but #surrogacy can be either expensive or cheap.
4. So if #surrogacy is also restrictive, why is it attractive?
5. Any other reasons? It was said to “offer best guarantees” and “legal certainty”
6. So a genetic connection strengthens legal status which and so does choosing a country where the #surrogatemother doesn’t have rights.
7. Out of 168 respondents, with 43 from commissioning parents (CPs) ONLY 2 said the friendship with the surrogate mother was part of their motivation...presumably the majority (41) weren't interested in friendship? It wasn't a priority? #surrogacy
8. Moving to £ - based on the different locations and surrogacy arrangements the price ranged from a supposed zero to $100k. Who receives this money? The agency. How much does the #surrogatemother get? Don't know.
9. What is this money for, what do you get for it in return? Is it a case of ‘surrogacy work is work’ or is a #surrogacy payment for compensation for damage or loss?
10. By contrast others were concerned about the ‘expenses’ amount being considered ‘altruistic’ but then one respondent wanted something more for their money...more control over her...
11. What kind of control? (As described by legal practitioners/lawyers) Contractual control...
14. With these contracts, who has accurate legal and *unbiased* information on #surrogacy ?
15. Those with a vested interested in #surrogacy cannot be relied upon for “the truth”.
16. And it would always be advisable, surely, to conduct all your research and seek legal advice before entering into any arrangement involving other parties. (There was a surprising lack of knowledge noted in this study, from legal rights and processes to travel requirements.)
17. Disclaimer: We are not lawyers. Should proof of knowledge of process and country government laws be a made compulsory requirement and proven prior to engaging in #surrogacy?
18. …Back to telling the truth, we think language is important here, do we consider being single or in a same sex relationship a kind of ‘infertility’? #socialinfertility#fertilityequality#surrogacy
19. Should the law step in to facilitate access to a woman to obtain a baby? (As long as “that person” has a “choice to help”)
20. #Choice and #consent, including trust and friendship are key claims often made #altruisticsurrogacy , the current model applied in the UK…
21. So why then do relationships break down in #uksurrogacy, it is because you cannot legally force friendship?
22. Is the solution to make #uksurrogacy#commercialsurrogacy, w/ clear legal lines of responsibility drawn up in contracts? This was suggested by a lawyer, who used the common references to the law being “outdated”, “not fit for purpose” ...and again that word “compensation”.
23. And enforceable laws and regulation would prevent exploitation…but not relocate it or legitimise it?
24. Additionally (nearly there, thanks for bearing with us!) there were respondents who had concerns about #surrogacy as an intrinsically exploitative practice…
25. With one asking what the meaning of ‘ethical’ can mean in the context of #surrogacy .
@CIAMS_Coalition 27. Finally concern for “surrogate born children (and what they) face in obtaining recognition of their legal relationship in their own jurisdiction was highlighted on numerous occasions” it was noted whether this is “with the best interests of the child” #children
Nowhere is the callous nature more apparent than in the Law Commission discussions around still birth.
We apologise in advance for the upsetting nature of this thread and advise caution if you are grieving baby loss.
#surrogacy
In the Law Commission consultation paper it was proposed that commissioning parents would be the legal parents of any stillborn baby.
Researching the responses to the consultation paper has shown differing views relating to such a sad event.
Whilst the majority of respondents opposed the suggestion, most commissioning (intended) parents were in agreement.
We were shocked by published responses to the Law Commission Consultation, revealing the dark heart of the surrogacy industry.
This response from a NHS OBG deserves a thread of its own.
NHSOBG hasn’t time to read the full 500 page consultation but they think its “a very good thing”.
They refer to the Surrogate Mother as “The Host”.
When NHSOBG says “it’s difficult to imagine a situation where invasive tests could not be anything other than the choice of the host” one senses they wish this wasn’t so, reserving sympathy for the Commissioning Parents (referred to as Intended Parents or IPs).
1. 1.We attended court last November to support this Surrogate Mother (SM) in the case to ‘set aside’ the Parental Order. We understand this case to be a one of a kind which was won on the basis of consent which we will explore in an upcoming blog but first some background…
2. The SM’s relationship with newly-introduced Commissioning Parents (CPs) progressed quickly and the first donor egg conceived embryo was transferred within 6 months. There was no long history of friendship and this all took place without guidance of an agency. #surrogacy
Thread: The gift of life. Is there any appropriate repayment for such a gift? In USA whilst commercial surrogacy is awash with tropes of surrogate mothers as “angels” giving the “gift of life” payment in the region of $30-50 K is the norm. Why be generous with a post birth gift?
In the UK the “altruistic” concept is carefully nurtured, with payment limited to “reasonable” expenses only, so post birth “gifts” are expected to be more generous.
A recuperative holiday is the norm, approved by a judge.
It’s funny how those “reasonable expenses” so often add up to a going rate of around £15,000.
Norwegian Minister for Children and Families Kjersti Toppe says that as it illegal to use a surrogate mother in Norway it should not be permitted to use a surrogate mother abroad. worldakkam.com/norwegian-fami…
Toppe said that she wanted to criminalize the use of surrogate mothers abroad: “... the disciplinary provisions form *an attitude* and support the seriousness of the legal provisions. The important thing is to clarify that *this is prohibited*."
This follows the statement on surrogacy from Ukraine's Children Ombudsman, Mykola Kuleba, calling #surrogacy the “exploitation and slavery of women who decide to become a surrogate mother" and “making money on the sale of children”. #babybuying