Thread by @JBelcourt73

Do people have the right to secede from the nation they belong too without there being some extreme factors in play like say a genocide? After all East Timor, Eritrea and Kosovo recently separated (among others). Who should get a vote in such referendums?

Another example is the Scottish referendum held just before Brexit. How often do separatist minded desires get a vote? One and done, generationally, yearly? Then there was the dissolution of the USSR and a US court case from the immediate post civil war era where secession

required the will of all the citizens of the state to be split to enact such a split. I am sure there are other examples as well but I am going to dig into the cases listed above to explore the idea of secession.

In the case of East Timor and Kosovo there was an ongoing genocide leading to international intervention followed by a UN supervised referendum and the establishment of democratically elected governments. Not everyone was happy but the process was above board and new nations were

born. In the case of Eritrea, the Eritreans had sided with Ethiopian rebels and the two combined to take down Ethiopia's government in a civil war and as part of the peace the two peoples split. In Scotland after literally generations of union with the United Kingdom Parliament

decided to give the Scottish a chance to choose or reject what had once been established by force of arms and Scotland chose to keep the union together. In the first two the genociders were excluded. You don't get a seat at the table if you are actively trying to murder people

you don't like. In the second two the people who would be in a new nation had the vote. Then there is the USSR which had a secession clause and the various politburos decided that the time of the Soviet Union had passed and they voted to secede leading to the formal dissolution

of the USSR and the establishment of a host of new nations. As a side note, the USSR already had 3 nominally independent UN member states before dissolution: USSR, Ukraine and Belarus. Then there is the US where a case known as Texas v White lays out that when a state joins the

union is it "perpetual" (Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union 1777) and that the Constitution was ratified to make the union more perfect not to provide an escape clause and that only 2 routes were possible in the pursuit of secession: a successful revolution or

the combined acquiescence of all the states since the citizens of the seceding states were also citizens of the USA and could not be unilaterally deprived of their citizenship, property and rights. None of those examples involve outside parties invading and setting up "puppet"

governments and gun point referendums with a stated end goal not of secession but union with a different country the same one that sent in the good squad. The closest you get in the post WWII history of the world is the DPRK which was set up by the USSR but did not intend to join

the USSR. East Germany as well but that nation ended up rejoining Germany by popular will when the Cold war ended. There is simply no precedent for thug created separatist movements leaving one country under the fiction of independence in order to advance towards an end goal of

union with another. The whole idea reeks of "Anschluss" and "Danzig Corridor" BS that lead to WWII. Yet Putin's Russia is trying to do exactly that in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and the Baltics and just about every other place that has a border with Russia and a Russian speaking

minority. These are the facts that @elonmusk is missing when he says there should be another referendum. No, Ukraine voted twice in 1991 (generally) and in the Crimea in 1994 (specifically) to be Ukrainians inside of Ukraine. The sham referenda Putin imposed by gun point have no

merit. Not only that but thanks to IDP's, filtration and genocide many of the people (perhaps a majority) to be affected were not given the vote. Russia has a way for the diaspora to vote but did not extend this right to those whose homes were about to be annexed. The process was

rigged, done at gun point, excluded the majority of voters, not sanctioned by the UN, and not supported by the country to be divided and after two previous referendums had already established popular will. Mr Musk, your idea is claptrap and shows an amazing lack of historical

knowledge. You are a brilliant man, but you are not a historian or even historically literate. What Russia is doing (in violation of treaty commitments, international law and the UN charter) must be opposed, aggression must not be rewarded with even the smallest fig leaf of

legitimacy. Your provision of #Starlink to Ukraine was awesome. The next most awesome thing you can do for the Ukrainian people is not push a Russian narrative but get to know them. I am sure @Teoyaomiquu would be willing to have lunch with you in Texas, or you could talk to

any number of them in #Ukraine people like @ferlain, @maggiewillrise, @MrKovalenko and others could argue for Ukraine far better than me. Come on to the @MriyaReport and we can hook you up with all the Ukrainians you can handle including many from the regions now under the

boot. Thats actually good advice for everyone, tune into the space and meet Ukrainians and help support @MriyaAid a very worthwhile charity. Referendums are not the path to peace. Russia has crossed that line and now the only option for the free world is to support Ukraine in

hour of need. I am glad my state's Congressional Delegation @JohnBoozman, @SenTomCotton, and @RepFrenchHill are solidly behind this imperative truth. You should be as well. BTW, when you become the "man" who owns Twitter you will see #NAFO is not a bot army. We are real people

really care who combat Russian dis-info and support the @georgian_legion its battles to help Ukraine kick Putin, imperialism and colonialism back onto the trash heap of history. Until Ukraine wins on Ukraine's terms: Slava Ukraini!

#russiaisateroriststate #GenocideOfUkrainians #nuclearwar #elonmusktwitter @mfa_russia <--- still losing soldiers, vehicles, territory and you have already lost all respect.

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