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1/n A fascinating article came out this summer that argues for a plant-forward omni diet, and it contains a very inflammatory headline:

"Debunking the #vegan myth: The case for a plant-forward omnivorous whole-foods diet"

Note author Loren Cordain, a paleo proponent Image
2/n

The abstract:

"Veganism is without evolutionary precedent in Homo sapiens species. Strict adherence to a #vegan diet causes predictable deficiencies in nutrients including vitamins B12, B2, D, niacin, iron, iodine, zinc, high-quality proteins, omega-3, and calcium."
3/n

Let's review the images quickly because they show some of these dangers.

Fig. 1. Hazard ratios for all-cause mortality as calculated by Cox proportional hazards multi-variable regression analysis16. P = 0.082.

All cause mortality for #vegans and vegetarians is higher! Image
4/n - Figure 2. Health Risks of a Vegan Diet

- #Depression - omega 3 and zinc deficiency
- #HairLoss - protein, Zc, Fe
- #Dermatitis
- #Anemia (iron & Vitamin B12 deficiency)
- #Osteoporosis (vitamin D & calcium deficiencies)
- #Sarcopenia
- #Hypothyroidism - iodine deficiency Image
5/n - Figure 4. Fig. 4. Risk of bone fracture among various dietary groups

#Vegans were 43% more likely to have bone fractures. Image
6/n - Fig. 5. Lifetime incidence of psychiatric diagnoses among 4181 adults.

Do depressed people become #veg or does an animal-deficient died lead to depression?
The jury is still out - depression may be caused by a 'brain energy' issue after overeating carbs & seed oils Image
7/n - #NoseToTail Eating

The authors say that eating organ meats from the entire animal would have likely benefitted our nutritional state.

Unfortunately, these are 'low-fat' paleo authors that don't focus on 'high-fat' megafauna like elephants for our prey. Image
8/n These paleo authors have essentially argued for decades that small animals are hard to acquire and lack lots of body fat - this is true - however, we know through the work of @bendormiki that there were mountains of ultra heavy fatty megafauna in Africa millions of years ago. Image
@bendormiki 9/n
Dr Ben-Dor has argued that we are limited by protein intake to 35% and could have made up the other 65% calorie difference by eating either animal fat or plant carbs.

If mountains of fat are walking by, and they're easy to kill, why would humans eat carbs? Image
@bendormiki 10/n

Thus - I agree with the authors based on science and anecdotes that humans are definitely not herbivorous vegans.

We get deficiencies, we get sick and weak, we die earlier.

Plants are FAMINE FOODS.

Humans are FACULTATIVE CARNIVORES, a type of omnivore.
@bendormiki 11/n

Okay, so over the weekend, I posted this science article to 28 million people at the popular subreddit called r/Science.

I received over a dozen rewards.
5,200 upvotes.
2 MILLION views.
1.9 thousand shares.
at a 55% upvote rate. Image
12/n

But a 55% upvote rate? That means there was a concerted effort to downvote the article back to an unpopular non-viral state.

Every minute I'd get a notification of a comment dragging my name through the mud while breaking all the bounds of scientific inquiry and reason. Image
13/n I triggered the #vegan hivemind. They didn't want to see science that questioned the vegan lifestyle. They called for my ban from the subreddit, they called me names, they questioned my bias. They said I was funded by the meat industry just for posting the article! ImageImageImageImage
14/n

Thus - I just want to warn everyone that science isn't perfect - I found issues I disagree with in this paper, however, it helps tell us what is real and what isn't on this big oblate spheroid we all call home.

I hope the hivemind doesn't beat science into submission.
15/n

Finally - you probably want some links! The next tweet will be the reddit thread if you want to read comments.

sciencedirect.com/science/articl… - This is the full article, with all the images I posted. Ben-Dor's work wasn't cited once - so take it with a grain of salt.
16/n

And here is the Reddit Post. It's just a giant forum on thousands of topics. Easy to make an account and follow subreddits on topics you care about. I've made many which are listed at r/keto4 's only post.

reddit.com/r/science/comm…

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May 19
AI is amazing now and I can ask it really creative questions and conduct quick journalism. Judge it for yourself #gpt4o #carnivorediet 🥩

Ill use my long text to show you the amazing replies I got from asking it about the carnivore diet

30% Americans heard about carnivore
5% tried it
2% do it
65:35 M:F
70% ✝️
20% none
Top influencers and websitesImage
The number of people in America who have likely tried the Carnivore diet can be estimated by analyzing various factors, including media coverage, social media trends, and related studies. Here’s a summary of the available data to provide an estimate:

### Awareness
**Search Trends and Social Media:**
- Google Trends and social media platforms (like Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube) show a significant increase in interest in the Carnivore diet over the past five years.
- Influencers and proponents such as Dr. Shawn Baker and Mikhaila Peterson have large followings, contributing to broader awareness.

### Adoption
**Dietary Surveys and Studies:**
- While specific surveys on the Carnivore diet are limited, general dietary trend surveys, such as those conducted by the International Food Information Council (IFIC), sometimes include questions about various diet trends.
- Reports from health and wellness websites, as well as anecdotal evidence from forums and support groups, suggest a growing number of people have at least tried the diet.

### Estimates
1. **Heard About It:**
- Given the media coverage and social media influence, it's reasonable to estimate that approximately 20-30% of American adults have heard of the Carnivore diet.

2. **Tried It:**
- Based on the general interest and the number of people who experiment with diet trends, an estimated 3-5% of American adults might have tried the Carnivore diet at some point.

3. **Currently Following It:**
- The number of people who continue to follow the Carnivore diet long-term is likely smaller, possibly around 1-2% of American adults.

### Supporting Data
1. **Media Coverage:**
- Numerous articles in major publications like the New York Times, Washington Post, and health-focused websites discuss the Carnivore diet, indicating substantial public exposure.

2. **Social Media:**
- Facebook groups and Instagram hashtags dedicated to the Carnivore diet have tens of thousands of members and posts.
- YouTube channels discussing the diet have millions of views collectively.

3. **Dietary Studies:**
- Research on the Carnivore diet is still emerging, but initial studies and surveys indicate a growing interest, especially among those with chronic health issues.

### Conclusion
While precise numbers are difficult to pinpoint, the above estimates provide a reasonable approximation based on available data. For more accurate and updated figures, larger-scale dietary surveys including specific questions about the Carnivore diet would be necessary.
Estimating the demographic split among Carnivore dieters, such as male-to-female ratio, religious affiliation, and political stance, requires some assumptions based on available data from dietary surveys, social media observations, and related studies. Here are some estimates:

### Male-to-Female Split
**Male:Female Ratio:**
- Anecdotal evidence and social media groups suggest that the Carnivore diet might be more popular among men. This is similar to other high-protein, meat-based diets.
- Estimated ratio: Approximately 60-70% male to 30-40% female.

### Religious Affiliation
**Religious Affiliation:**
- The Carnivore diet doesn’t have a specific religious affiliation, but trends in diet and health practices can vary among religious groups.
- Given the general health and wellness trends, it’s likely that Carnivore dieters come from a variety of religious backgrounds, including Christian, non-religious, and other faiths.
- Estimated distribution might follow general population trends with slight variations:
- Christian: ~70%
- Non-religious: ~20%
- Other religions (Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc.): ~10%

### Political Stance
**Political Stance:**
- The Carnivore diet has found popularity among individuals with a range of political beliefs. However, anecdotal evidence suggests a stronger following among those with conservative or libertarian views, likely due to its alignment with self-reliance and skepticism of mainstream dietary guidelines.
- Estimated political affiliation might be:
- Conservative/Libertarian: ~50-60%
- Moderate/Centrist: ~20-30%
- Liberal: ~10-20%

### Supporting Data
These estimates are based on:
- Social media group demographics, where discussions about the Carnivore diet often reveal participant backgrounds.
- Dietary trends from related low-carb and ketogenic diets, which show similar demographic splits.
- Publicly available survey data and anecdotal reports from prominent Carnivore diet advocates and forums.

### Conclusion
While precise numbers are challenging to determine without specific large-scale surveys, these estimates provide a reasonable approximation based on observed trends and available data. For more accurate figures, targeted surveys of the Carnivore diet community would be necessary.
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Mar 12, 2023
I've made lots of changes to my website. Here's a list of all the Databases in a thread. I built it as a pet project to keep track of history, science, and nutrition concerning the #CarnivoreDiet in a way where each individual argument, historical event, book, etc can be linked. Image
Homepage: meatrition.com - About me, some videos, links, and updates.
All History - 1012 quotes about the carnivore diet and related topics (science, religion, other diets) - chronically ordered, tagged, imaged, and meticously copied out of old texts no one wants to read.

meatrition.com/all-history
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Oct 6, 2022
Let's review quickly all of the science I've come across in the past week that applies to high-fat ketogenic carnivore type diets.

I'll post the link, an image of the abstract, the title, and some hashtags on each one.

1/n - My public Zotero Database:
zotero.org/groups/2466685…
2/n
Red and processed meat intakes and cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes mellitus: An umbrella systematic review and assessment of causal relations using Bradford Hill’s criteria

"do not support causality"

#T2D #CVD #SystematicReview #RedMeat

tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.10…
Do #Vegetarian Diets Provide Adequate Nutrient Intake during Complementary Feeding? A Systematic Review

Complementary Feeding is the period when you're weaning a child onto non-breastmilk foods.

TLDR: "Not safe, critical micronutrient deficiency risk"

mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/1…
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Oct 6, 2022
1/n - I am constantly on the hunt for fresh science to add to my @zotero as well as Meatrition.com's databases.

This weekend I received a powerpoint from @LDLSkeptic that had a source I didn't know of - a book from 1892 that talked about cutting out carbs for obesity.
2/n
Dr Diamond had a great slide and I realized I was missing this source in my All History Database on my website.

Most of these books are available for free on archive sites. Just google the title! Image
3/n:
The entire book is free:

babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.…

They have both scans of it as well as a text-only view of each page. Image
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