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Oct 15 12 tweets 6 min read
"Outside the Western Bubble" - 2nd session @Raniaab and @catapluma, moderated by Jon Lee Anderson.
Anderson: the RU narrative is there & has hold in Latin America & other locations.
Via Chavez, recounting how self-described anti-imperialists want multipolar world.
@TbilisiZeg
in mid-2000s, many countries very much looking to Iraq as precedent, aggressive GWB posture, says Anderson, felt they needed to counterbalance American hegemony.
(This as backdrop to how situation seen now.) #Zeg22
many places feel neglected, Iraq, commodities being bought by China, disregard, this explains in part why narrative is sticking, Anderson. #Zeg22
.@catapluma -- ppl in Colombia in beginning did not understand why so much attention to #Ukraine, not others;
feeling by many why Americans have to tell us what is important; also, many don't believe in media. When I report, ppl often believe I repeat US narratives.
. @Raniaab -- there is sympathy for what ordinary Ukrainians in Arab countries (to the extent one can generalize), but there also is anger & resentment towards West, also many recalling Syrians fleeing RU bombardment 2015 & how absorbing refugees so difficult.
"double standards" of the West is a major topic in #MiddleEast, on TV & social media, and that there is an element of racism @Raniaab -- "when Palestinians and Iraqis build molotov cocktails, it's described as terrorism." (To be clear, she's describing popular views.) #Zeg22
in turn, #Iran illustrates seeing UKR through own lens says @catapluma -- complicated relationship w Russia; economic crisis, have 2m Afghans refugees, Supreme Leader saying: if not UKR, NATO might attack RU & then Iran, but then gov also not admitting they send drones.
John Lee Anderson: Ethiopia, Argentina, also using votes/positions transactionally, Argentina maybe analogous to France / resentment, feel they should be analogous to US in clout but aren't, thus flirting w prospects of RU success. #ZEG22
(@catapluma describes lots of pushback to reporting from UKR, esp from Argentina, too.)
John Lee Andersen: what is visible in many places, is VVP.
Less visible: young Ukrainians making their case in Latin America, Africa, Middle East. So in many places, their stories do not come through.
#zeg22
Q: role of corporations?
John Lee Andersen: we live in an age of plutocrats; in US, no longer strong antitrust; in UK, they let oligarchs buy access; journalists should do more on this, but many threatened or killed.
.@antelava -- Ukr FM did do 10 day trip to Africa, so they are making an effort.
@Raniaab -- reaching two thirds of the world will continue to matter.
END 2nd session. #Zeg22

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today, EthnoFest in #Tbilisi (alas only realized it happening late afternoon), with plenty of great things you can get if you
-- enjoy #crafts
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Below some of my favourites. 1/n Image
This won the overall prize (congrats!!!) & was my favourite: fairly simple, evocative of #Tbilisi & #Batumi #architecture, nice #lighting addition somewhere in a flat, neat product. 2/n Image
More on Lampino & link to FB presence here:
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session "How to Get the Bad Guys"
with Oleksandra Matviichuk @avalaina, one of Nobel Peace prize winners,
Anna Neistat @AnnaNeistat
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at @TbilisiZeg Image
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"Keeping #Ukraine in the Global Media Spotlight" -- @littlemedia12 @yarotrof @RachelCorpTweet @polinaivanovva --
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we were preparing for UKR conflict from "this time last year", when invasion started, we were there, several teams, says @RachelCorpTweet, the scale & size, also of refugees, still took everyone by surprise & sending in teams safely a challenge.
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Forgotten Wars, Open Wounds -- @NorthAndrew and @saadmohseni abt the conflicts that we do not pay attention to. #Georgia slipping from minds; Iraq protests in 2019; Afghanistan now.
Third session in @TbilisiZeg in #Tbilisi. Image
.@saadmohseni In Afghanistan, "we paid a very heavy price for the victory over Soviets", the question I ask about #Ukraine -- how will this end? "The American have been very fickle."
"It's easy to cheer from the sidelines, but people get killed. We have been seeing that play out in our own lives in 44 years of war."
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"Rethinking Colonialism" in context of #Ukraine, w @yermolenko_v, John Lee Anderson @peterpomeranzev moderated by Nino Japiashvili, parallel session, crowded room.
.@yermolenko_v Western colonialism was overseas, emphasized difference, RU colonialism was on land, and the domination was based on claim of sameness, "you are unable to be different", therefore focus on #memory, we are only in the beginning of analyzing this. #Ukraine
"dragging people down into the a state of sameness" also as theme for @peterpomeranzev , as illustrated by the cellars as a theme of war in Ukraine: in which people hide, survive; get tortured & killed; Russia has not been able to be deal with its own traumas & ends up repeating.
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