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2 heavy assaults on the Indian Culture due to Colonialism/Modernity.
1. Instilled disbelief in Moksha
2. Equated Dharma to Religion
This has drifted us away from our Natural Destiny.
This #Thread is about how Point-1 has spawned a peculiar version of #Atheism in our times.
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1. Instilled disbelief in Moksha
2. Equated Dharma to Religion
This has drifted us away from our Natural Destiny.
This #Thread is about how Point-1 has spawned a peculiar version of #Atheism in our times.
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Viewed from the lens of Chaturvidha-Purushartha (Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha) & see who stands where. There 5 Segments (respectfully used terms).
1. Left Liberal Seculars
2. Dharmic Athiests
3. Dharmic Artha Sarvopari-s
4. Dharmic Non-Literalists
5. Dharmic Literalists
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1. Left Liberal Seculars
2. Dharmic Athiests
3. Dharmic Artha Sarvopari-s
4. Dharmic Non-Literalists
5. Dharmic Literalists
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1. Left Liberal Seculars (A wide spectrum collapsed into one)
- Moksha is hoax for them
- Dharma ranges from being a good idea to a hoax but not a reality
- (Excessive) Kama is Supreme and (Myopic) Artha must serve that purpose
- Panchendriya and Arishadvarga reign supreme
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- Moksha is hoax for them
- Dharma ranges from being a good idea to a hoax but not a reality
- (Excessive) Kama is Supreme and (Myopic) Artha must serve that purpose
- Panchendriya and Arishadvarga reign supreme
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- Highly intolerant of D&M
- Consider D&M as a threat to their World View of Excessive-Kama, Myopic-Artha
- Actively seek to persecute, marginalise those who are pursuing D&M
- Often provide lip service to D&M so as to buy democratic support
This thread is not about them.
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- Consider D&M as a threat to their World View of Excessive-Kama, Myopic-Artha
- Actively seek to persecute, marginalise those who are pursuing D&M
- Often provide lip service to D&M so as to buy democratic support
This thread is not about them.
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2. Dharmic Literalists
- Moksha and Dharma are supreme
- Artha and Kama subservient to D&M
- Seek a higher order control on A&K & conformance to Textual Guidance
- Do not see Neva-Srishti/Change as any essential
- See Dharma as well crafted already, anchors on the Ritual
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- Moksha and Dharma are supreme
- Artha and Kama subservient to D&M
- Seek a higher order control on A&K & conformance to Textual Guidance
- Do not see Neva-Srishti/Change as any essential
- See Dharma as well crafted already, anchors on the Ritual
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3. Dharmic Non-Literalists
- Share a lot of Dharmic Literalists with some differences
- View A&K/Srishti having a higher role in restoring Dharma
- No Change for Change’s sake
- See Dharma guidance from Texts as ‘Principles’ to be applied when needed
- Moksha/Kama are Supreme
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- Share a lot of Dharmic Literalists with some differences
- View A&K/Srishti having a higher role in restoring Dharma
- No Change for Change’s sake
- See Dharma guidance from Texts as ‘Principles’ to be applied when needed
- Moksha/Kama are Supreme
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4. Dharmic Artha Sarvoparis
- Dharma is Supreme
- Their perception of Moksha is complex
- To some Moksha is merely an Emotion that serves to keep the Society in a good state
- To others Moksha is reality, to be pursued but its relationship with Dharma is not clear
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- Dharma is Supreme
- Their perception of Moksha is complex
- To some Moksha is merely an Emotion that serves to keep the Society in a good state
- To others Moksha is reality, to be pursued but its relationship with Dharma is not clear
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- Deep within they consider Artha as Supreme
- Dharma is a means to Artha and a good Society, an Abstract Idea that does not have a specific reflection on Institutions
- Delinked from Moksha, loosened from Artha/Kama - Dharma becomes fluid and gets adjusted to Artha pursuit
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- Dharma is a means to Artha and a good Society, an Abstract Idea that does not have a specific reflection on Institutions
- Delinked from Moksha, loosened from Artha/Kama - Dharma becomes fluid and gets adjusted to Artha pursuit
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5. My Key interest in this Thread is the last segment that is “Dharmic Atheists”
- They share a lot with Dharmic Artha Sarvopari-s but with one difference
- They absolutely, categorically do not recognize Moksha
- As a consequence they do not recognize Devata-s at all
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- They share a lot with Dharmic Artha Sarvopari-s but with one difference
- They absolutely, categorically do not recognize Moksha
- As a consequence they do not recognize Devata-s at all
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- Some of them consider Moksha as a good Idea, they acknowledge how this idea has shaped our pursuit of Dharma but they dont understand how
- Others consider Moksha and its pursuit as completely a burden and even wrong, they continue to respect Dharma
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- Others consider Moksha and its pursuit as completely a burden and even wrong, they continue to respect Dharma
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- Both consider Dharma as having critical Civilizational/Cultural foot-print such as tolerance for dissent, diversity, reasonable freedom of expression etc.,
- But they dont understand how Moksha (& hence Devata Tatva) has a relationship with Dharma & hence reign in A&K
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- But they dont understand how Moksha (& hence Devata Tatva) has a relationship with Dharma & hence reign in A&K
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3 Contributing Reasons. They view
A. Moksha as limiting certain 'Material Performances' & 'Material Consumption'
B. Moksha/Devata as incompatible with Modern Science which has assumed an Axiomatic presence in our times
C. Hindu culture from the lens of Abrahamic Categories
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A. Moksha as limiting certain 'Material Performances' & 'Material Consumption'
B. Moksha/Devata as incompatible with Modern Science which has assumed an Axiomatic presence in our times
C. Hindu culture from the lens of Abrahamic Categories
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Point-A may be easy to understand and deal with. The Sustainability dimension may create better conversations with them.
Point-B is slightly complex. They seek a Science-Path to all Truth. They assume that Science has the ability to lead to all Truth. Plainly wrong.
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Point-B is slightly complex. They seek a Science-Path to all Truth. They assume that Science has the ability to lead to all Truth. Plainly wrong.
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But they are honest in Point-A and Point-B. Both are difficult things to overcome thanks to Colonialism /Science/Modernity.
In Point-C, they are plainly dishonest. They do not understand what Moksha is and Devata-s are the way Bharateeya Parampara has experienced/articulated.
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In Point-C, they are plainly dishonest. They do not understand what Moksha is and Devata-s are the way Bharateeya Parampara has experienced/articulated.
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In particular, in their appreciation of Devata-Tatva they are totally wrong. All their criticism applies only to Abrahamic God.
They need to engage with our texts.Not by merely reading translations.
You have to at least discuss, if not take Shishya-Vritti, with an Acharya.
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They need to engage with our texts.Not by merely reading translations.
You have to at least discuss, if not take Shishya-Vritti, with an Acharya.
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Once, the Devata-Tatva becomes clear, One understands
- The category of Moksha
- why the Parampara has many Sampradayas
- why Moksha is necessary to create space for Dharma
- how Dharma is designed for the pursuit of Moksha
- In the process how Artha & Kama becomes beautiful
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- The category of Moksha
- why the Parampara has many Sampradayas
- why Moksha is necessary to create space for Dharma
- how Dharma is designed for the pursuit of Moksha
- In the process how Artha & Kama becomes beautiful
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The pursuit of Science wont be harmed.
- Scientific Performances wont be curtailed
- They will be pursued in the direction of Sustainability & Harmony.
Science is about the pursuit of Truth. But Devatas & hence the Category of Moksha are Truth themselves & beyond Science.
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- Scientific Performances wont be curtailed
- They will be pursued in the direction of Sustainability & Harmony.
Science is about the pursuit of Truth. But Devatas & hence the Category of Moksha are Truth themselves & beyond Science.
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Dharmic Athiests have to suspend their belief in Science being Sarvopari & emotional attachment/imagined insecurity around Scientific Performances & Explanations.
For 1000s of years, Bharatavarsha pursued Science deeply while Science was still subservient to Dharma & Moksha.
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For 1000s of years, Bharatavarsha pursued Science deeply while Science was still subservient to Dharma & Moksha.
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If Science didnt suffer then, there is no reason why we must invent a new Category of Dharmic Atheists.
The presence of Charvaka-s in Ancient India is no good defence. They never added anything significant to our civilisation.
They were simply not persecuted.
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The presence of Charvaka-s in Ancient India is no good defence. They never added anything significant to our civilisation.
They were simply not persecuted.
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PS: In many ways, Dharmic Athiest as a term is a contradiction. But I have used to describe a segment of our brethren and also to say how wrong that category is.
Time for them to deeply introspect.
Time for them to deeply introspect.
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