CZECH REPUBLIC & OTHER EUROPEAN
HIGHER FATALITY COUNTRIES
(thread)
Signs of Czech Rep deaths slowing? I wish them well. Interesting, yet again, that the cumulative total is so similar to other hard hit locations, which are all around 10x lower than generally used predictions...
The point is not to use these data for some ugly competition. Rather, these data and their differences - or similarities - can reveal very important information about #SARSCoV2 .
For example, UK deaths were predicted to reach ~7500 per Million (=~500k people, without measures).
However, if the hypotheses that led to such predictions were true, & such totals have only been averted by lockdown, then one would expect large variations between countries (as exact details & timing of lockdown and other measures would be critical).
High sensitivity to timing would be the case if "high lethality+all susceptible+lockdowns work" hypotheses were true. Yet all the high fatality locations have quite similar total deaths per M; all in the region of 10+ times lower than those predictions.
if one looks at cases, the slowing is clearer to see; and this despite the massive increase in testing and the many testing-related issues that severely affect cases data (& therefore now deaths data too).
Here are the charts as still images along with a link to the news article shown above. bbc.co.uk/news/health-52…
"Professor J Savulescu from the University of Oxford said incentives would help to overcome rising vaccine hesitancy due to perceived safety concerns... he writes in the Journal of Medical Ethics."
Take the vaccine & get cash or a "get out of mask free" card.
Medical Ethics?!?!
The idea of offering someone you've half scared to death and have deprived of normal life (and much more) a partial release from the madness, or some cash, if they agree to accept the risk of a vaccine does not belong in anything that has the word "ethics" in it's title.
Unsurprisingly, also from the same article,
"Prof Savulescu says that there is a case for mandatory vaccination because of the "grave" threat to public health."
"Covid: Nine ways England's lockdown is different from last time" - BBC
UK truly leads the world when it comes to freedom. Behold 9 incredible advances we've made this year. You never had it so good!
Here's the list:
...
1. You can meet one friend... with your children. 2. Schools and universities are staying open. 3. Public toilets will not be closed 4. 'Bubbles' exist 5. Click and collect services will be available
6. Sitting on a bench is allowed 7. You can take unlimited exercise 8. Dentist and opticians are staying open 9. Nobody will formally shield
"Coronavirus: T-cell immunity exists six months after infection, study finds" - Sky
This must come as quite a shock. Who'd have thought there could be more to immunity than antibody levels?
Of course that's not the whole article...
The article goes on to say...
"But the researchers, from Public Health England and the UK Coronavirus Immunity Consortium, warn that it's still not clear whether the T-cell levels were high enough to protect against re-infection."
I suggest refering to known science as a starting point. There used to be quite a lot of it around, although we seem to have mislaid it recently.
What actually matters though is not just the probability of succumbing to the virus if infected but also the probability of becoming infected in the first place.
Population Fatality Rate (PFR) = probability of infection X IFR
ICL UK STUDY SHOWS DECLINING ANTIBODY LEVELS,
“DASHING HOPES OF HERD IMMUNITY”
ANALYSIS
An ICL led study of population antibody levels found that, between late June & late September “the number of people testing positive dropped by 26.5%” imperial.ac.uk/news/207333/co…
[27 Oct 2020v1]
The interpretation reported in the media - & seemingly widely believed - is that only those with measurable antibody levels possess immunity & that, if those fade, people become susceptible to re-reinfection.
e.g. news.sky.com/story/coronavi…
& bbc.co.uk/news/health-54…
This ignores well established knowledge regarding the immune system, which is more complex than mere possession of measurable levels of antibodies. In fairness some articles do mention this.
However, the true judge is reality, which we can attempt to study through the data.
CZECH REPUBLIC & HUNGARY
are currently reporting higher daily Covid-19 deaths per M than other European countries. Current daily deaths are significantly higher than their spring peaks. Interestingly, both experienced far lower earlier total deaths than many other countries.
One possibility is that the lower earlier totals correspond to fewer infections, leaving a larger proportion of the population still susceptible.
Incidentally, I do agree with people who've pointed out the unpleasantness of treating this sort of comparison almost as a macabre spectator sport. That should not be the intention. The purpose is to use the information to learn about the virus, value of measures taken etc.