Orlando goalkeeper Pedro Gallese saves the final spot-kick to send them through to the Conference semifinals.
But the VAR spots that Gallese had come off his line. Retake ordered.
But Gallese had already been booked, and gets a second yellow!
Shootout back on!
This is incredible. Orlando have made a sub to bring goalkeeper Brian Rowe on to take part in the shootout.
But the officials have no idea if Orlando are allowed to do it.
Rowe has been to the goal, back to the bench, and now he's back to the goal!
What the hell is going on.
And now Rowe is back to the bench, outfield player Rodrigo Schlegel goes in goal.
New York City score. But Nani MISSES the winning penalty chance.
And now the outfield player, Rodrigo Schlegel, SAVES a penalty.
Orlando celebrate like they have won the game, but it's 5-5!
They have had to call the players back.
WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE!
I put that MLS penalty shootout on at 8pm. It finished at 8.22pm!
I presume that MLS did not:
a) enact the dispensation not to book a goalkeeper in a penalty shootout and
b) switch to the 2020-21 Laws as a calendar-year comp after coronavirus pause
Otherwise, Orlando keeper Pedro Gallese should not have been sent off in the penalty shootout.
Incredible situation.
You can only bring a sub keeper on during a shootout due to injury.
Yet the referees in this MLS playoff originally allowed Orlando to bring a sub keeper on after theirs was sent off.
Only to be told they got it wrong and EVENTUALLY send him back!
And let's not forget this was allowed to happen by the referee, his two assistants and the fourth official. I presume the VAR must have got involved in the end.
Pretty sure everyone lost their heads here!
Now confirmed:
MLS still using 2019-20 Laws and DIDN'T adopt the dispensation from the IFAB to warn a keeper for a first offence in a shootout.
Therefore, the ref had no choice but to show goalkeeper Pedro Gallesea second yellow and send him off.
Both teams told prematch.
Here is the crazy Orlando v New York City penalty shootout in its entirety.
It's 22 minutes long but as you will have seen from this thread, it was absolutely mental.
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Just in from the crucial IFAB meeting to decide any clarifications in the 2021-22 laws.
In relation to the handball Law, given that the interpretation of handball incidents has not always been consistent, further clarification is supported.
Notwithstanding the revised 2019-20 wording, it was re-emphasised that the final judgment remains with the referee and not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
For the definition of “unnaturally bigger”, referees should judge the position of the arm in relation to the player’s movement.
While the handball law is not going to be rewritten, it should now be tidied up and clarified from the mess it is in the written laws.
It's the Monday VAR thread. A busy one today for some reason.... including:
- Bamford offside
- Handball!
- Barkley offside
Starting with the worst of the weekend, the Patrick Bamford disallowed goal for Leeds at Palace.
There's no point going over the general flaws again, you can read about that in detail in the attached thread, but I'll cover the specifics of this decision.
First a reminder that you can now play the ball with the top of your arm after the law changed in the summer. It's why Mane was offside against Everton too.
And you can score with it; Gabriel already has for Arsenal against Fulham.
Patrick Bramford offside because of the change in the handball law. Because you can now pay the ball with the top part of your arm the outstretched arm played him offside. This was onside last season to the armpit. #CRYLEE
Robert Lewandowski just had this goal disallowed for a marginal offside by the VAR.
Offside & VAR is a major issue in most leagues, not just the Premier League. #DerKlassiker
Here's another VAR "arm" offside from Spain a few weeks ago.
It's the Monday VAR thread, which this week will no doubt bring on the hate.
Including:
- Sheffield United penalty process at Liverpool
- Maguire vs. Azpilicueta
- Disallowed Arsenal goal
- Monitor use recap
- And more
Starting with Sheffield United's penalty at Liverpool for Fabinho's foul on Oliver McBurnie.
Contrary to what was reported in some places, the tackle was reviewed. In fact, there were three possible outcomes available to the VAR, who was Andre Marriner.
Outcome 1: Free kick to Sheffield United - challenge adjudged outside the area
Outcome 2: Penalty to Sheffield United - challenge deemed inside the area and a foul
Outcome 3: Dropped ball to Alisson - challenge deemed inside the area and NOT a foul
Here it is. The Monday VAR thread, offside special.
- What you're looking at / how it's done
- The true flaws in the system
- Why Mane offside correct (in process)
- Why law change made Van Dijk and Mane offside
- Upcoming automated offside
- PLUS: Pickford
It's long....
The first thing the VAR decides is the first point of contact of the pass on the ball.
Many scream about the frame rate without understanding the actual issue.
Frame rate doesn't mean it is not possible to make an accurate decision. However, it is inconsistent.
The correct frame for the first point of contact on the pass will almost always be clear to the VAR.
So when people say "that's not the correct frame, the ball has left the foot" it's not actually a problem of frame choice.
The problem is that the correct frame does not exist.