It's your Monday VAR thread, looking at:
- The increasing mess of "clear and obvious"
- Man United penalty
- Handball uncertainty
- The increasing mess of "clear and obvious"
- Man United penalty
- Handball uncertainty
Regular readers of this thread will know that it's not the VAR's job to make sure a ref gets every decision right.
Otherwise the game is being totally re-refereed to the subjective opinion of the VAR.
The VAR is there to correct CLEAR errors. So it's where we have a problem.
Otherwise the game is being totally re-refereed to the subjective opinion of the VAR.
The VAR is there to correct CLEAR errors. So it's where we have a problem.
With the WBA and Aston Villa penalties, there was definite contact on the shins of Conor Gallagher and Trezeguet.
So, are we now saying that a feather brush of the ball with the studs rules out a penalty through VAR? But without it (Salah) the penalty stands?
So, are we now saying that a feather brush of the ball with the studs rules out a penalty through VAR? But without it (Salah) the penalty stands?
The problem here is it totally undermines how we all believed VAR is working. Namely, if the VAR can see why a referee had given a penalty it should stand.
The ref's decision carries the weight, and if you cannot be certain it's a wrong decision it shouldn't be changed.
The ref's decision carries the weight, and if you cannot be certain it's a wrong decision it shouldn't be changed.
It's part of the mess VAR is in with penalties.
If VAR gets involved in the WBA & Villa incidents, you can say the same on the minor Martial shirt tug.
That tug had little in it, and I'd say it's not for VAR. But it was there, so who knows? We should have an expectation.
If VAR gets involved in the WBA & Villa incidents, you can say the same on the minor Martial shirt tug.
That tug had little in it, and I'd say it's not for VAR. But it was there, so who knows? We should have an expectation.
Onto the Man United penalty and the potential foul in the build up.
It's a very subjective part of the protocol, but Attacking Phase is defined as "the point at which the attacking team advanced with the ball towards their opponents’ penalty area" and how they won the ball.
It's a very subjective part of the protocol, but Attacking Phase is defined as "the point at which the attacking team advanced with the ball towards their opponents’ penalty area" and how they won the ball.
So, while Conor Gallagher was fouled, Man United did not take possession of the ball from it.
The ball ran to Semi Ajayi, who was then tackled by Anthony Martial.
This was different to the Brighton goal, which was sent to the VAR monitor. They won possession and scored.
The ball ran to Semi Ajayi, who was then tackled by Anthony Martial.
This was different to the Brighton goal, which was sent to the VAR monitor. They won possession and scored.
Man United were exceptionally lucky, because it was a certain foul missed by David Coote. But the subjective nature of what constitutes the Attacking Phase and when it starts will always be difficult to define.
And in the PL the VAR has rarely looked at fouls in the build-up.
And in the PL the VAR has rarely looked at fouls in the build-up.
On the penalty save. Sam Johnstone can have nothing to complain about, he is WAY off the line (both times!).
And the Man United encroaching on the second penalty is irrelevant as this has to impact the kick.
And the Man United encroaching on the second penalty is irrelevant as this has to impact the kick.
Handball. I did say people had been lulled into a false sense of security because there was a month without potential incidents. Well, they are back now.
This issue with relaxing interpretation is you introduce subjectivity. And with subjectivity there can't be consistency.
This issue with relaxing interpretation is you introduce subjectivity. And with subjectivity there can't be consistency.
The Matip handball is almost identical to that of Joel Ward, which the Premier League highlighted as the kind of handball that won't be given.
- slightly extended away from his body
- expected position
- limited time to react
Would definitely have been given in September.
- slightly extended away from his body
- expected position
- limited time to react
Would definitely have been given in September.
The possible handball against Liam Cooper for Leeds vs. Arsenal has a similar qualification for time to react.
Deflects onto the arm from Cooper's boot, which fits with an IFAB example of what shouldn't be given when making a challenge.
Reckon some VARs may give it, though.
Deflects onto the arm from Cooper's boot, which fits with an IFAB example of what shouldn't be given when making a challenge.
Reckon some VARs may give it, though.
We all hate the kind of handball decision given against Darnell Furlong for WBA, but his arm is in a different position. It's up in the air, and this very likely to be given with the new law. It blocks the path of the ball into the box.
Remember, turning your back is no defence.
Remember, turning your back is no defence.
The IFAB's advisory panels meet today to discuss law changes for 2021-22, including handball.
Here's a detailed look at handball pens in top 5 leagues & UCL.
- Surge post-2018
- Reasons, and how leagues reacted
- Cultural influence in Latin countries.
espn.co.uk/football/engli…
Here's a detailed look at handball pens in top 5 leagues & UCL.
- Surge post-2018
- Reasons, and how leagues reacted
- Cultural influence in Latin countries.
espn.co.uk/football/engli…
What of the "handball" goal by Gabriel Jesus against Tottenham? This all comes down to where the ball hits Jesus.
Rather than it hitting the arm above the "t-shirt" line, it looks as though it hits below this, on the arm rather than the shirt.
Sure City fans will disagree.
Rather than it hitting the arm above the "t-shirt" line, it looks as though it hits below this, on the arm rather than the shirt.
Sure City fans will disagree.
Finally the Federico Fernandez own goal, not using an image here as it would be misleading to force and time of contact.
Fernandez has already messed up his clearance before there is a small touch from Chilwell which had no effect on the Newcastle player scoring the OG.
Fernandez has already messed up his clearance before there is a small touch from Chilwell which had no effect on the Newcastle player scoring the OG.
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