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I just had a flash back to the days of the Danegeld
“If once you have paid him the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.”
I just had a flash back to the days of the Danegeld
“If once you have paid him the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.”
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1330513501874507777
And it’s invocation during WW2 of British appeasement of the Nazis
So either deliberately or accidentally he is equating the EU with the Nazis
Who would do that
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
So either deliberately or accidentally he is equating the EU with the Nazis
Who would do that
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
Oh yes and here's a thread on Churchill
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1110855444296290304
So a reminder to the rough outline of brexit
Intro
We have a plan
Chapters
1: we owe nothing
2: we owe £17.7bn
3: we owe £100bn
4: we owe £39bn
5: our liabilities buy us a deal
6: we won't pay it until we have a deal
7: we need to renegotiate our liabilities
8: quietly pay it
Intro
We have a plan
Chapters
1: we owe nothing
2: we owe £17.7bn
3: we owe £100bn
4: we owe £39bn
5: our liabilities buy us a deal
6: we won't pay it until we have a deal
7: we need to renegotiate our liabilities
8: quietly pay it
Interviewer
"Couple of months ago it stated at 20bn we are headed towards 50bn now apparently. IF we hang on a bit how high will it go?
Kwasi
"I think most people erm who voted to leave the EU uh realised it would be a difficult process"
"Couple of months ago it stated at 20bn we are headed towards 50bn now apparently. IF we hang on a bit how high will it go?
Kwasi
"I think most people erm who voted to leave the EU uh realised it would be a difficult process"
Now I could ALSO touch on Kwasi for this
Q. You have no honest answer to this issue about the irish border
Kwasi - "It would be foolish to write a cast iron guarantee on there being no hard border"
Vote Leave said they had many solutions to NI Border
Q. You have no honest answer to this issue about the irish border
Kwasi - "It would be foolish to write a cast iron guarantee on there being no hard border"
Vote Leave said they had many solutions to NI Border
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1108307267575840769
It's ok though
The Home Secretary is going to unintentionally starve the Irish
It's ok though she's a hard working, dedicated, kind person who always remembers the names of her staff so that is ok*
*other justifications are available
The Home Secretary is going to unintentionally starve the Irish
It's ok though she's a hard working, dedicated, kind person who always remembers the names of her staff so that is ok*
*other justifications are available
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1330838685605093377
I agree with Kwasi some people "realised" it would be a difficult process
What some sold:
We have a plan
We hold all the cards
We don't need experts
The EU will collapse soon & bang on our doors on 24/6/2016 to gift us unicorns
They need us more than we need them
etc. etc.
What some sold:
We have a plan
We hold all the cards
We don't need experts
The EU will collapse soon & bang on our doors on 24/6/2016 to gift us unicorns
They need us more than we need them
etc. etc.
Why it was all clearly laid out in the plan 
A reminder on that plan
14th June 2016 Daily Telegraph
To that end, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, the two leading figures in the Leave campaign, have drawn up a blueprint for implementing a Brexit. Sensibly, it calls for flexibility and a period of reflection.
14th June 2016 Daily Telegraph
To that end, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, the two leading figures in the Leave campaign, have drawn up a blueprint for implementing a Brexit. Sensibly, it calls for flexibility and a period of reflection.
Of course
It's no surprise that plan didn't exist
After all the super duper forecaster that was Dominic Cummings made clear why there wasn't one
It's no surprise that plan didn't exist
After all the super duper forecaster that was Dominic Cummings made clear why there wasn't one
Dominic
"Creating an exit plan that makes sense and which all reasonable people could unite around seems an almost insuperable task. Eurosceptic groups have been divided for years about many of the basic policy and political questions"
"Creating an exit plan that makes sense and which all reasonable people could unite around seems an almost insuperable task. Eurosceptic groups have been divided for years about many of the basic policy and political questions"
Anyway
Enough about the plan
Let's talk about the Danegeld
Enough about the plan
Let's talk about the Danegeld
15th November 2016
"Michel Barnier, the commission’s chief Brexit negotiator, has indicated to colleagues he will pursue Britain for an exit bill based on an expansive view of its liabilities under the EU budget."
irishtimes.com/business/econo…
"Michel Barnier, the commission’s chief Brexit negotiator, has indicated to colleagues he will pursue Britain for an exit bill based on an expansive view of its liabilities under the EU budget."
irishtimes.com/business/econo…
A reminder
There were many who tried to use a House of Lords report to argue the UK did not have any legal responsibility to pay its liabilities
There were many who tried to use a House of Lords report to argue the UK did not have any legal responsibility to pay its liabilities
30th March 2017
The authors present various scenarios, and find that the UK could be expected to pay between €25.4 billion and €65.1 billion. But the final cost can only be calculated after extensive political negotiations.
bruegel.org/2017/03/brexit…
The authors present various scenarios, and find that the UK could be expected to pay between €25.4 billion and €65.1 billion. But the final cost can only be calculated after extensive political negotiations.
bruegel.org/2017/03/brexit…
3rd May 2017
The EU has raised its demand for Britain’s Brexit bill to an upfront gross payment of up to €100 billion, according to a Financial Times analysis of new demands driven by France and Germany.
irishtimes.com/business/econo…
The EU has raised its demand for Britain’s Brexit bill to an upfront gross payment of up to €100 billion, according to a Financial Times analysis of new demands driven by France and Germany.
irishtimes.com/business/econo…
17th May 2017
"The U.K. may have to pay as little as 5 billion pounds ($6.5 billion) or no more than 30 billion pounds to leave the European Union"
bloomberg.com/politics/artic…
"The U.K. may have to pay as little as 5 billion pounds ($6.5 billion) or no more than 30 billion pounds to leave the European Union"
bloomberg.com/politics/artic…
12th July 2017
“First of all, for example, it needs to be clarified where we stand when it comes to financial obligations that Great Britain has to fulfil beyond Brexit,”
politico.eu/article/berlin…
“First of all, for example, it needs to be clarified where we stand when it comes to financial obligations that Great Britain has to fulfil beyond Brexit,”
politico.eu/article/berlin…
6th August 2017
"However, the UK will only agree to pay the sum - equivalent to €40 billion - it if the EU agrees to negotiate the financial settlement as part of a deal on future relations, including a trade deal"
telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/0…
"However, the UK will only agree to pay the sum - equivalent to €40 billion - it if the EU agrees to negotiate the financial settlement as part of a deal on future relations, including a trade deal"
telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/0…
7th August 2017
Britain will have to continue paying the European Union until 2020 even if it leaves the bloc in 2019, the EU’s budget commissioner reiterated in an interview published Monday in German paper Bild.
politico.eu/article/gunthe…
Britain will have to continue paying the European Union until 2020 even if it leaves the bloc in 2019, the EU’s budget commissioner reiterated in an interview published Monday in German paper Bild.
politico.eu/article/gunthe…
Oh yes and also
See that brexit bullshit trope of those EU audits that never got done
Apparently the European Court Of Auditors got involved in the liabilities discussion as well
See that brexit bullshit trope of those EU audits that never got done
Apparently the European Court Of Auditors got involved in the liabilities discussion as well
September 2017
According to some estimates, it could be between €60 billion to €100 billion given the committed funds under this multiannual financial framework, his contribution to other EU funds and institutions, and other liabilities
euractiv.com/section/uk-eur…
According to some estimates, it could be between €60 billion to €100 billion given the committed funds under this multiannual financial framework, his contribution to other EU funds and institutions, and other liabilities
euractiv.com/section/uk-eur…
October 2017
"A diplomatic source told the paper: "Germany wants more and it wants it more or less in writing. That is toxic for the British."
politicshome.com/news/article/m…
"A diplomatic source told the paper: "Germany wants more and it wants it more or less in writing. That is toxic for the British."
politicshome.com/news/article/m…
"Brexit Secretary David Davis has so far refused to commit to a specific number, although Theresa May signalled in her recent Florence speech that the UK would contribute at least €20bn into the EU budget after Brexit."
Why would commiting to it in writing be toxic?
Think on that
Why would agreeing to it non-verbally be toxic
If only I could think of a "very specific and limited way" that might be toxic
Think on that
Why would agreeing to it non-verbally be toxic
If only I could think of a "very specific and limited way" that might be toxic
Oh look an excuse to use an old David Davis thread
https://mobile.twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1012780901313536000
24th November 2017
“There are two questions, how much is a trade relationship worth, and how much do we owe? We owe zero.
express.co.uk/news/uk/883892…
“There are two questions, how much is a trade relationship worth, and how much do we owe? We owe zero.
express.co.uk/news/uk/883892…
24th April 2018
When Jacob Rees Mogg was live tweeted by people paying attention to his words
I am going to quote two elements of this thread
When Jacob Rees Mogg was live tweeted by people paying attention to his words
I am going to quote two elements of this thread
https://twitter.com/OpenEurope/status/988750552388554752
First
Jacob
"Government’s “backstop” option (Irish border) is misinterpreted and both sides interpret it the way they want #BrexitCompromise"
Jacob
"Government’s “backstop” option (Irish border) is misinterpreted and both sides interpret it the way they want #BrexitCompromise"
And second
Jacob
"UK can’t pay EU billions of pounds during transition period without knowing what the end result will be #BrexitCompromise"
Jacob
"UK can’t pay EU billions of pounds during transition period without knowing what the end result will be #BrexitCompromise"
25th April 2018
THERESA May will hold back most of Britain’s Brexit divorce cheque until the full details of a new trade deal are thrashed out, No10 sources have revealed.
thesun.co.uk/news/6136733/p…
THERESA May will hold back most of Britain’s Brexit divorce cheque until the full details of a new trade deal are thrashed out, No10 sources have revealed.
thesun.co.uk/news/6136733/p…
vs
"Auditor General Sir Amyas Morse said the UK will be legally obliged to pay the full £39billion bill even if no new trade agreement is reached."
"Auditor General Sir Amyas Morse said the UK will be legally obliged to pay the full £39billion bill even if no new trade agreement is reached."
4th August 2020
Ex-Conservative leader and Sir Iain Duncan Smith said the Withdrawal Agreement signed by Boris Johnson last year needed to be rewritten as it means the UK is "hooked into the EU's loan book”.
politicshome.com/news/article/e…
Ex-Conservative leader and Sir Iain Duncan Smith said the Withdrawal Agreement signed by Boris Johnson last year needed to be rewritten as it means the UK is "hooked into the EU's loan book”.
politicshome.com/news/article/e…
The reason I did this thread
Was on the "quietly"
And why as a nation the UK would be ashamed about paying its debts?
Surely this is something to be proud of
Open global Britain and all that jazz remember
Was on the "quietly"
And why as a nation the UK would be ashamed about paying its debts?
Surely this is something to be proud of
Open global Britain and all that jazz remember
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1330513501874507777
And whilst going into the history of the "danegeld"
I found a tweet I used by Jacob around liabities
But he sadly has deleted it
(and I didn't screenshot it all those years ago)
I found a tweet I used by Jacob around liabities
But he sadly has deleted it
(and I didn't screenshot it all those years ago)
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/929359213196992512?s=17
I would love to know
Why did Jacob delete it?
Why did Jacob cancel himself?
Was his tweet incorrect - if so why?
Why was deleting it the correct response?
Why did Jacob delete it?
Why did Jacob cancel himself?
Was his tweet incorrect - if so why?
Why was deleting it the correct response?
Has Jacob changed his mind on what he posted?
If so that is a positive
If so that is a positive
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1331197324434018304
9th January 2019
Speaking to Radio 4 yesterday, Mr Davis said it was a “false assertion” to claim that Britain is obliged to pay £39 billion when we leave the EU.
channel4.com/news/factcheck…
Speaking to Radio 4 yesterday, Mr Davis said it was a “false assertion” to claim that Britain is obliged to pay £39 billion when we leave the EU.
channel4.com/news/factcheck…
Roll on to 22nd November 2020
And "quietly pay"
And "quietly pay"
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1330513501874507777
See also a flashback in time
Britain has quietly paid in full a £1.7billion European Union surcharge that David Cameron described as 'appalling'.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3…
Britain has quietly paid in full a £1.7billion European Union surcharge that David Cameron described as 'appalling'.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3…
So I want to congratulate
Jacob Rees Mogg
On winning
But I have a simple question
What did you win?
Jacob Rees Mogg
On winning
But I have a simple question
What did you win?
A reminder on the damage of brexit so far
>£4.4billion brexit prep cost
£170billion BOE stimulus cost
>£130billion lost growth (so far)
£39billion liabilities
Cost of brexit *so far*
£343 billion
>£4.4billion brexit prep cost
£170billion BOE stimulus cost
>£130billion lost growth (so far)
£39billion liabilities
Cost of brexit *so far*
£343 billion
A reminder on the economists WHO were correct
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1034127151874957319
Not to worry though
Jacob Rees Mogg has his horosocopes
"It would be better to 'consult a newspaper horoscope than treasury forecasts'"
theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/ja…
Jacob Rees Mogg has his horosocopes
"It would be better to 'consult a newspaper horoscope than treasury forecasts'"
theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/ja…
A reminder how well that turned out for Jacob Rees Mogg when quoting the Sun on the blessed sunlit uplands of food price savings in the sunlit uplands of brexit
https://mobile.twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1024895987876343808
Still what better place to mask the damage of brexit such that you mask it in the disaster of coronavirus
Sorry - the "massive success" as Boris Johnson calls it
Sorry - the "massive success" as Boris Johnson calls it
To end with three thread compendiums
1) on Jacob
2) on brexit
3) on coronavirus
I will warn you - these are large, they have sub threads
You can choose to be lied to
Or you can be the people doing the lying
Or you can read them
Choose
1) on Jacob
2) on brexit
3) on coronavirus
I will warn you - these are large, they have sub threads
You can choose to be lied to
Or you can be the people doing the lying
Or you can read them
Choose
Where we are on the current status with brexit on 24th November 2020
https://twitter.com/PandaScottish/status/1331196735264329731
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