Tyrone Mings chesting the ball was judged by the officials and the VAR a deliberate act to play the ball and that reset the offside phase, bringing Rodri onside.

Can't agree, and surely has to be offside in this circumstance.

#MCIAVL
For me, this is the key point.

If Mings had made a deliberate play, messed up and the ball ran to Rodri, offside is reset.

But Mings' deliberate play was to control the ball and then he had it stolen off him by a player in an offside position. #MCIAVL
Obviously this is open to interpretation.

"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball is not considered to have gained an advantage."

So for me it's whether you believe Rodri *received* the ball from Mings, or stole it.
I'm confident that in 99/100 times this happens in normal play, offside is given.

Unless we are saying a player coming back from offside can challenge a defender if he controls the ball.
So, this is the intricacy to the offside law. Remember that the VAR will apply the LOTG, and not common sense.

When Mings chests it, Rodri is two yards away and not challenging for the ball.

Therefore, by the LOTG, offside is reset. (I disagree as per the thread) #MCIAVL
This is one of the over-arching problems that VAR will have to overcome, as I've mentioned in the past.

- Referees as the VAR feel they must apply the LOTG
- Protocol says VAR should do "what football expects"

The two are not fully compatible. And it's an issue.

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The Premier League schedule can just about handle the games that have been postponed... so far.

But the league is on the brink of a fixture crisis, and the failure to entertaining agreeing curtailment / abandonment options may come back and bite them hard.
From the initial fixture build there were three Premier Lague catchup dates built in - the midweeks of March 2, April 20 and May 19.

However, these placeholders were primarily for teams which reached the Carabao Cup final and/or the FA Cup final.
Added to that, even without COVID postponements, if a PL team were to get the semis of the Champions League or Europa League and the final of both domestic cups there aren't enough spare midweeks to fit those games in.

Looking at you, Man City, Man United and Tottenham.
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It's the Monday VAR thread.

- Penalty incidents at Leeds
- Arsenal / Wolves / Palace penalties
- Brighton handball
- WBA goal

This is not a week when I'll get much appreciation for my opinions, but these are subjective decisions so we can't always agree...
The Leeds penalty is clouded by Nick Pope getting his foot to the ball. But that doesn't mean it cannot be a penalty.

I totally get why many will feel it shouldn't be a penalty, but once the referee has given this there's no chance it gets overturned.
From this image, it seems a clear challenge from the goalkeeper to get to the ball ahead of Patrick Bamford.

There's no problem here, it's a normal attempt to win the ball.

But that doesn't give Pope carte blanche. Image
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21 Dec 20
It's your Monday VAR thread! This week:

- Explaining the process of the Newcastle-Fulham penalty
- Red cards
- Few handballs
- A brief return to offside
First, the Newcastle penalty which resulted in a red card for Joachim Andersen via VAR.

The main questions and comments have centred around:
- It was outside the box!
- Why wasn't the referee shown replays?
- How can it be a red card if it's a penalty? (double jeopardy)
First, a reminder of the VAR process.

The ref will explain why he has given the decision, and the VAR will check replays for a clear and obvious error.

So, if ref Graham Scott says Andersen has clipped Callum Wilson's foot, does the VAR have reason to support that?
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2 Dec 20
Analysis of how margin of error could have affected all 16 VAR offside decisions in the Prem.

- 5 of 14 disallowed count
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- Three could have changed result (2 Liverpool)
- Only goal allowed would be ruled out on "Umpire's Call"

A thread.
To start with, if you missed it, here's yesterday's thread explaining how the Eredivisie uses margin of error on VAR offside.

Southampton v Tottenham (Sept. 20)

Goal (scored by Harry Kane) disallowed for offside against Son Heung-Min (0-0, Spurs won 2-5)

VAR DECISION: Offside
WITH MARGIN OF ERROR: Offside

Goal remains disallowed.
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1 Dec 20
We need a thread about West Ham v Aston Villa and offside.

The Dutch "margin of error" is suddenly getting traction in the UK media. Which of course you'd have known about two months ago if you followed the Monday VAR thread.

This ain't a silver bullet, but it would be better.
There are a couple important things to debunk.

- "Thicker lines" is misleading
- Players will still be offside by an inch

Which feeds into this discussion between @GNev2 and @Carra23 on MNF, specifically to Gary Neville's point.
The Dutch used "clear and obvious" on offside until this season, opting to introduce Hawk-eye tech as a more accurate tool.

But the lines have NOT been made thicker. It's purely that if the final red and blue lines touch, the decision stays on field. Umpire's call.
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Here's your Monday VAR thread. Not too long this week because there's not much to talk about, and one incident is related to a few others. So it's just:

- Why Mo Salah could only be given offside
- Brighton's penalty vs. Liverpool

If there's any others unrelated, do ask.
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But FIFA says this is the system we must use. So I'm setting out how it's used.
The Mo Salah offside caused a lot of misplaced anger. The whole debate is getting a little tiresome. We have been with Hawkeye offside for almost 16 months now, we know what to expect.

Offsides like Patrick Bamford deserve anger, but this was a standard marginal offside.
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