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@hamsanandi

21 Feb

@karatalaamalaka

@karatalaamalaka I think the language families in India can be explained by multiple migrations in prehistoric times; By historic times ( i.e. earliest archeological remains are at Mehrgarh, IIRC - which are 9000 years ago) - the two families had already settled in with some intermingling

@karatalaamalaka

@karatalaamalaka The due-east-Krittikas description put parts of the Veda at least around ~3000 BCE. the 1500- 600 BCE span as imaginged by Max Mueller must go back by at least 1500 years imo.

We have Vedanga Jyotisha corresponding to the sky situation ~1400 BCE (give or take a century)

@karatalaamalaka

@karatalaamalaka And VJ was NOT written outside of Saptasindhu - Very likely at the upper reaches of it like in Kashmira or in around Kubha river (Kabul) by the latitude indication. Definitely not much north or south of that location.

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@hamsanandi

21 Feb

While reading works of #Shamba etc, we shouldn't forget their thoughts were clouded by colonial narratives. I find very strange and odd, fell for the black-white racist theories as well. The names like ಕಾಳವ್ವ, ಕರಿಯಪ್ಪ aren't specific to Kannada. Didn't we have काली & कृष्ण ?

How the bias does show up in #Shamba's writing. We should not forget a writer is product of their times.

Very clear #Shamba has totally fallen for the Dravida-Arya racist theories of the 18th-19th centuries.

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@hamsanandi

15 Feb

Interesting observation about a manuscript that may have been written in ~1850

#AbhinavaBharataSaraSangraha #RaSathyanarayana #MummaDiChikkaBhupala #Sippegowda

Remember some podcast where doubts were cast about Kautalya's authorship of #Arthashastra, because of the "Kautalya says" quotes in there.
But that is the way of Samskrta/Bharatiya/Indian texts till much later. Here is a text from ~1650, of #MummaDiChikkaBhupala of such self-ref

Every king, big and small has been compared to #BhojaRaja when they were supporting artists/poets. Here is the #Birudavali of #ImmadiChikkabhupala, aka #ChikkappagGowda , chieftain of Madhugiri, Karnataka ~1600CE

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@hamsanandi

2 Feb

@sathvik_nv

@sathvik_nv @acharya2 @Ashwin_K_Ash #ಅಯ್ಯೋಶಿವನೆ, ಶಂಬಾಜೋಶಿ, ಬಿಎಮ್‍ಶ್ರೀ ಅಥವಾ ಡಿಎನ್‍ಎನ್ ಅವರ ಕಾಲಕ್ಕೇ ಬೆಳಗಾಗಲಿಲ್ಲ. ಅವರಿಗೂ ಸಾವಿರಾರು ವರ್ಷದ ಹಿಂದಿನಿಂದ ಈ ವಿಷಯಗಳನ್ನು ತಿಳಿದವರು ಇಲ್ಲವೇ? ಹೊಸಬರ ಮಹತ್ವ ಗುರುತಿಸೋಣ. ಆದರೆ ಹಳಬರ ಹಿರಿಮೆ ಮರೆಯದಿರೋಣ. 🙏

@sathvik_nv

@sathvik_nv @acharya2 @Ashwin_K_Ash ಇವತ್ತಿನ ದಿನದಲ್ಲಿ , ಓದಲು ಶಂಕರ ಭಟ್ಟರ ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಬೇಕು ಕನ್ನಡದ್ದೇ ವ್ಯಾಕರಣ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ಪುಸ್ತಕವೇ. ಆದರೆ , ಬಹುಪಾಲು ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರ ಗ್ರಂಥ ಗಳನ್ನು ಓದಲು ಬೇಕಾಗುವಂತೆ ಇದನ್ನು ಓದಲೂ ಒಂದು ಮಟ್ಟದ ತಯಾರಿ ಬೇಕು. ಅದಿಲ್ಲದೇ ಓದಿದರೆ ಕಷ್ಟ.
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@sathvik_nv

@sathvik_nv @acharya2 @Ashwin_K_Ash ಉದಾ: ಸಂಧಿಯನ್ನು ಸೇರಿಕೆ, ಸಮಾಸವನ್ನು ಒಟ್ಟುಪದ, ಕೂಡುಪದ ಎಂದು ಶಂಕರ ಭಟ್ಟರು ಹೇಳುವುದರಲ್ಲಿ ಕ್ರಾಂತಿಕಾರಿ ಹೊಸ ವಿಚಾರ ಏನೂ ಹೇಳಲಿಲ್ಲ , ಬದಲಾಗಿ ಪಾರಿಭಾಷಿಕ ಪದ ಒಂದನ್ನು ಹೊಸದಾಗಿ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ.

ಪಾರಿಭಾಷಿಕ ಪದಗಳನ್ನು ಪೂರ್ವ ಪ್ರಸಿದ್ಧ ವಾದದ್ದನ್ನೇ ತೆಗೆದುಕೊಳ್ಳುವುದು ಒಂದು ದಾರಿ ಆದರೆ ಇದು ಇನ್ನೊಂದು ದಾರಿ.ಎರಡೂ ಸರಿಯೇ.
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@hamsanandi

31 Jan

#VivekaChintamani #NijagunaShivayogi

First time seeing association of Lion with the #madhyama swara. And also the nakshatra, tithi association with musical notes. Or at least if I had read earlier, I have forgotten 🙊

@ShrikaanthK

#VivekaChintamani #NijagunaShivayogi #ವಿವೇಕಚಿಂತಾಮಣಿ #ನಿಜಗುಣಶಿವಯೋಗಿ

Also he gives a totally different set of names for the 22 shrutis

cc: @ShrikaanthK @Raaga_Suresh @santhi_ps

#VivekaChintamani #NijagunaShivayogi #ವಿವೇಕಚಿಂತಾಮಣಿ #ನಿಜಗುಣಶಿವಯೋಗಿ He does not use the term #BatteesaRaga #BatteesRaag but calls them in Kannada as ಮೂವತ್ತೆರಡು ರಾಗಂಗಳು.

(ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ ದಕ್ಷಿಣ ತುದಿಯ ಕೊಳ್ಳೇಗಾಲದವರಾಗಿದ್ದರಿಂದ ಇರಬಹುದು)

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@hamsanandi

31 Jan

ಸಾರನಾದದ ಜನನ ತಾಣಮಂ ನೆರೆಯರಿದು
ತಾರಮಂದ್ರದ ಮಧ್ಯ ಸಪ್ತಸ್ವರಂಗಳಂ
ತೋರಿ ಇಪ್ಪತ್ತೆರಡು ಶ್ರುತಿ ಷಾಡವಾದಿ ಶ್ರುತಿಪೂರ್ಣ ದೇಸೀ ಮಾರ್ಗದ
ಸಾರಮಂ ತಿಳಿದವನಿಬದ್ಧಂ ವಿಬದ್ಧಗಳ
ಸೇರುವೆಯೊಳತಿ ಶುದ್ಧ ಮಿಶ್ರ ಸಂಕೀರ್ಣಗಳ
ನಾರೈದು ನವರಸದಿ ಪಾಡುವ ವಿದಗ್ಧ ಗಾನಾಂಗನೆಯರೊಪ್ಪಿರ್ದರು

#SingirajaPurana #Kannada #Karnataka #Sangeeta
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This one padya refutes nonsense arguments of social scientist star musician Asthana author at the Liar & Troll

1.Music as we see is a post Tyagaraja time phenomenon- He has a problem saying our music is 2000 year+ old
2.Karnataka Sangeeta is Brahamana dominated

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#Singiraja

And here a #Virashaiva kavi is describing a concert where they are singing nibaddha ( "composed,pre determined) & anibaddha ( manodharma,unbounded) types of music, in 3-sthayi & 9-rasas, including both dEsI & mArgI type
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p.s: There is cure for everything except for self-hate

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