Technically speaking it’s possible. In a tobacco litigation scenario, if courts decide against the company and award huge damages, then litigants can go after all its assets.
But the taint of tobacco is removed from non tobacco assets if they are separated from the tobacco operations with ITC tobacco having no stake in them.
In the US something analogous happened when tobacco companies massively increased dividend payout ratios thereby protecting payouts to shareholders from litigation awards.
That’s because you can sue a company for alleged harm but not its stockholders as company is not the same as stockholders. If the company has disgorged its assets (cash) to shareholders then litigants have no claim on them anymore.
The rise in the P/E multiple in those situations was warranted because, in valuation terminology, those earnings that were paid out were no longer retained in the company and were therefore immune from litigation awards.
Another scenario in which this can happen is that if ITC tobacco is separated from other businesses, then non tobacco assets would have no recourse to funding from tobacco. Some of those assets may have to be sold off and their asset value may be more than earning power value.
No position in ITC.
A third scenario in which this can happen is to do with cost of capital. With ESG becoming a dominant force, a large number of global institutional investors and many other investor won’t touch ITC stock. A low P/E (caused by apathy in this case) increases cost of equity capital.
That’s because lower the P/E, higher the cost of capital and higher the discount rate used to bring back future cash flows to present value And vice versa.
But when non tobacco assets are separated and lose the taint of tobacco, they may be more appropriately valued at a lower cost of capital (discount rate). Resulting in value creation.
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Take the examples of Uber and Airbnb for example. When they started out, they not only took on entrenched players (taxi operators and hotels), they also took on regulations.
Indeed, if you read the history of these companies, you will find that they pretty much broke the laws that existed in their early days.
Then I update them on my thinking about this business, management and valuation. This year, I spoke that (which I won't discuss here) and also about some additional lessons. Listing them here:
The importance of distinguishing between things that are under your control and those that you cannot control.
Incidentally, lots of other stuff can be done with this data. For example, if we know P/E and P/B, then we can derive E/B or ROE. And plot it over a period of time. It will be quite revealing if you do that.
AAA bond yields and their comparison with E/P (the reciprocal of P/E or earnings yield) will also be useful.
One student in my Forensic Accounting course wrote about manipulation in many large companies and how it pushes the retail investor into the corner. My (slightly edited) response:
All investing carries risk. Equity investing is no different. But look at the world around you. If you really want to compound your capital and beat inflation and make some real money, you have to invest in equities - which includes owning 100% of your own business by the way.
Yes, you will lose money because of misgovernance. But that does not mean that everyone is a crook. So you have to find ways to avoid getting stuck in businesses with governance issues. And even if you exercise all caution, you will still not be immune.
At one point during the talk, Neeraj showed an example when he deliberately asked a dumb question from the management of a company he was working on. Immediately I could relate this to Detective Columbo. See this: quora.com/How-has-the-Co…
One answer is that company engages in hedging by using derivatives as a legitimate business decision and claims the hedging cost as a tax-deductible expense.
I don’t think losses if any resulting from speculative trades using derivatives will be allowed as a tax-deductible expense.