Question was #MilitaryIAmClean Do you consider “an officer manipulating to get all promotions and just before retirement ‘managing’ to get ‘DISABLED’ to get enhanced pension as the most unsoldierly act and EMBEZZLEMENT"?
The voting was done by everyone on twitter without distinction of being a Veteran or a Civilian. The responses hence are a reaction by the society and reflects its consciousness.
Should we not have reaction exclusively from Veterans now?
5/n MILITARY ETHOS #MilitaryIAmClean
There is a larger good in this exercise. Twitter is a place where civilians, youth and those interested come to interact with Veterans.
MILITARY ETHOS are taught in Academy and followed by all including Veterans.
We must ask them, right?
6/n MILITARY ETHOS #MilitaryIAmClean
In order to give everyone a fair chance, I will search for ALL Retired Army Chiefs and ALL Retired Lt Gens on Twitter today & 'Follow' all of them today.
I will tweet them by directly tagging them & ask their opinion and few more questions.
7/n MILITARY ETHOS #MilitaryIAmClean
This simple exercise will bring the common ethos and views of Generals and Lt Gens on Twitter.
Can an exercise be more transparent?
Please wait, in next few hours my tweets will be up.
@PMOIndia will be tagged hereafter for all tweets.
I did lot of search on twitter and could identify Two Retired Generals and 15 Retired Lt Gens. I have 'Followed" all of them except Gen V P Malik @Vedmalik1 who has blocked me.
The issue raised by me tarnishes image of Indian Army and hence it is necessary that the Veterans come together to restore. Issue is 'Faking a Disability' before retirement to draw Tax Free Disability Pension over and above normal pension.
I will individually address the tweet and couple of questions to the following:
1. Gen V K Singh (Retd) @Gen_VKSingh 6330 Tweets 2. Gen V P Malik (Retd) @Vedmalik1 5088 Tweets 3. Lt Gen H S Panag (Retd) @rwac48 126.6K Tweets
contd....
Contd.... 4. Lt Gen A K Singh @AK7CAV 11.5K Tweets 5. Lt Gen Gyan Bhushan (Retd) @bhushan_gyan 50.6K Tweets 6. Lt Gen Ata Hasnain (Retd) @atahasnain53 17.9K Tweets 7. Lt Gen K J S Dhillon (Retd) @Tiny_Dhillon 11K Tweets
Contd... 12. Lt Gen Dushyant Singh (Retd) @dushy40098 1097 Tweets 13. Lt Gen Rameshwar Roy (Retd) @LtGen_Roy 5566 Tweets 14. Lt Gen Z U Shah (Retd) @zoomshah 599 Tweets 15. Lt Gen A K Bakshi (Retd) @AkBakshi 248 Tweets
Contd.... 16. Lt Gen D P Sehgal (Retd) @PashaSehgal 15.4K Tweets 17. Lt Gen PR Shankar (Retd) @palepurshankar 4260 Tweets
My deep and sincere apologies if I have missed a Retired Lt Gen. I have followed all the 17 gentlemen stated above.
10/n MILITARY ETHOS #MilitaryIAmClean
Please intimate if anyone reading this thread knows about a Lt Gen (Retired) who I have missed.
I will approach each of these honourable gentlemen to seek their opinion. I will tweet & tag @PMOIndia
I will put a summary of replies too.
11/n
Added following Lt Gens : 18. Lt Gen Balbir Sandhu (Retd) @BalbirLt 435 Tweets 19. Lt Gen KJ Singh (Retd) @kayjay34350 53.8K Tweets 20. Lt Gen Prakash Katoch (Retd) @KatochPrakash 17.7K Tweets 21. Lt Gen Rakesh Sharma (Retd) @rakesharma15 263 Tweets
17/n Previous two tweets had incorrect numbers. This is 17th tweet of this thread:
Added three Generals and two more Lt Gens :
22. Lt Gen Ghanshyam Katoch (Retd) @GKatoch1 415 Tweets 23. Lt Gen D S Hooda (Retd) @LtGenHooda 14 Tweets
18/n 17/n Previous two tweets had incorrect numbers. This is 17th tweet of this thread:
24. Gen J J Singh (Retd) @GenJJSingh 57 Tweets 25. Gen N C Vij (Retd) @GenVij 2 Tweets 26. Gen Bikram Singh (Retd) 0 Tweets
19/n Please remember the following: 1. Number of tweets given is to know how active they are on Twitter. I do not expect any response from anyone with less than 1000 tweets. 2. I have no idea of their seniority, arm/service, academy or type of entry. 3. To me, they represent.....
20/n
...Indian Army and will give correct response for the overall good of army. 4. I trust them to uphold highest traditions and ethos of the Army for every one to emulate.
Tomorrow, I shall pose simple questions to them regarding "FAKING DISABILITY TO DRAW ADDITIONAL PENSION"
21/n I have put forward a generic point why this? 👉@ColSanjayPande
I wouldn’t like to comment and pass judgement ,on a brother officer, on a public platform. If he is at fault the system will take care of it. Let’s not cut our nose to spite our face.
22/n No where in this entire thread is the issue about people, it is about a 'poll' to which Twitter Community responded. My questions to General, 1. Which 'brother officer' is he referring to? 2. 'If he is at fault', who is 'he'? 3. Which 'system' is being referred to?
23/n I have divided list of 26 Generals and Lt Gens in two parts, those who have more than 2000 tweets (126.6K Tweets by @rwac48 !!!!!) & those with less than 2000 tweets. @zoomshah has just 599 Tweets hence extremely low on participation in debates on Twitter.
24/n Lt Gen H S Panag (Retd) @rwac48
(126.6K Tweets-Number 1 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
25/n Lt Gen KJ Singh (Retd) @kayjay34350
(53.8K Tweets-Number 2 by tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
26/n Lt Gen Gyan Bhushan (Retd) @bhushan_gyan
(50.6K Tweets-No. 3 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
27/n Lt Gen Ata Hasnain (Retd) @atahasnain53
(17.9K Tweets-No. 4 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
28/n Lt Gen P Katoch (Retd) @KatochPrakash
(17.7K Tweets-No. 5 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
29/n Lt Gen D P Sehgal (Retd) @PashaSehgal
(15.4K Tweets-No. 6 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
30/n Lt Gen A K Singh @AK7CAV
(11.5K Tweets-No. 7 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
31/n Lt Gen K J S Dhillon (Retd) @Tiny_Dhillon
(11K Tweets-No. 8 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
32/n Lt Gen Gurmit Singh (Retd) @LtGenGurmit
(9885 Tweets-No. 9 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
33/n Lt Gen Satish Dua (Retd) @TheSatishDua
(9291 Tweets-No. 10 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
34/n Gen V K Singh (Retd) @Gen_VKSingh
(6330 Tweets-No. 11 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
35/n Lt Gen Rameshwar Roy (Retd) @LtGen_Roy 5566 Tweets-No. 12 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
35/n Gen V P Malik (Retd) @Vedmalik1 5088 Tweets-No. 13 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
36/n t Gen PR Shankar (Retd) @palepurshankar
(4260 Tweets-No. 14 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
37/n Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia (Retd) @Ptr6Vb 3396 Tweets-No. 15 by Tweets)
Respected General,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
38/n I find that only 15 Retired Generals are active on twitter. The rest 11 have 200 or less number of tweets which, I feel, is not their mainstay for public debates. I will still mention them and request for response. Their handles and number of Tweets is followed by request.
39/n 2000 Tweets and less 1. Lt Gen Prakash Menon (Retd) @prakashmenon51 1870 Tweets 2. Lt Gen Dushyant Singh (Retd) @dushy40098 1097 Tweets 3. Lt Gen Z U Shah (Retd) @zoomshah 599 Tweets 4. Lt Gen Balbir Sandhu (Retd) @BalbirLt 435 Tweets
40/n 2000 Tweets & less
5. Lt Gen Ghanshyam Katoch (Retd) @GKatoch1 415 Tweets 6. Lt Gen Rakesh Sharma (Retd) @rakesharma15 263 Tweets 7. Lt Gen A K Bakshi (Retd) @AkBakshi 248 Tweets 8. Gen J J Singh (Retd) @GenJJSingh 57 Tweets 9. Lt Gen D S Hooda (Retd) @LtGenHooda 14 Tweets
41/n 2000 Tweets and less
10. Gen N C Vij (Retd) @GenVij 2 Tweets 11. Gen Bikram Singh (Retd) 0 Tweets
42/n
Respected General/s,
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
Your response is requested.
43/n My humble request to Retired Generals, Please respond within two days. I will put a summary of feedback on Friday.
Thank you and I am honoured Sir/s. Let us keep the flag of the nation flying high.
Rest Twitter friends- Pleas RT each of the last 18/19 tweets individually.
Lt Gen Satish Bahri (Retd) @SatishBahri Sir, Please read this thread and respond too.
Sir, Can I request you to give your responses to the three questions?
1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
46/n #MilitaryIAmClean#MilitaryEthos Closing this thread now. The following questions were posed to 28 Retired Generals and Lt Generals. Response? 4 out of 28 responded. ONLY ONE was unambiguous, 2 responded positively and one panicked. Why? I will analyse it in my next article.
47/LAST #MilitaryIAmClean#MilitaryEthos Let me assure you, the 24 who did not respond have a reason. My article will have it. 1. Do you agree with the poll results?
2. Do you think last 30 years data be investigated ?
3. Can a Public Institution be put beyond Public Scrutiny?
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Will make an exception. I will use your tweet to make a point. 1. You seem to be a senior veteran made out by ‘Tam Marte Quam Minerva’, your handle that means’as much by war as by wisdom’ the motto of Pakistan Staff College, Quetta. 2. Are you person of Pakistani origin?
3. Of Indian and a veteran who is an ESM and held a high rank in service, which is very probable, then why hide identity? 4. Forces Widows issue seems to have hit you hard because you have no idea of widows of your own unit. 5. You again have no idea of inequality in pension.
6. You have absolutely no idea since you never were concerned. You are pained since when this issue comes on social media, you look silly. 7. Did you follow the poll on Pensions of Forces Widows? Obviously you did. That’s why the pain. 7. Did you read one Retired ......
1. Sir, you combine all or you let them remain separate, question is does military have its ‘mind’ for such big concepts? 1. Three Strike Corps have consumed lacs of crores since raising and the Light Tanks are Eureka moment now. 2. Two front war was alien term till last June.
2. With numerous Armoured Corps Chiefs and Army Commanders, the Infantry glitterati in Northern and Eastern Command, Retired and on social media, did anyone ever suggest abrogation of 370? Ways to end Insurgency? Military’s macro and micro understanding is extremely limited.
3. ‘Vision’ needs to be backed by conviction. If you have vision and conviction, you will certainly not have a rank. Army is always about getting next promotion. When complete energy is focused on getting rank, where does vision and conviction go? Military is about ....
My deep study of the Disability mess of Army Jawans led me to study the whole system from 'womb to tomb'. Surprisingly it came out and fitted so correctly in the Management Principle propounded by me. Retired Generals and Lt Generals cannot impact or influence the system.
The worrying part is what use are these ranks when they have no impact on the system, which everyone proclaims to be existing? This is the effect of 'Relevantly-Irrelevant'. Entire system is investing their time, effort and energy into keeping the current practice alive.
There is little or no corruption. There is that deep desire to keep the system alive since it feeds thousands with white money. Where is the 'RAW MATERIAL'? or rather WHO is the raw material? Its the DISABLED. Will the system feed thousands if this raw material finishes?
1. #RelevantlyIrrellevant Relevantly Irrelevant is the result of the organisations ever changing manipulative policies to pull up the preferred while making them generic. Irrelevant people occupy relevant positions reaffirming manipulative policies. This has long term effects.
2. #RelevantlyIrrellevant While the base has complete pool of people representing different ages, the merit among them is different. The ‘irrelevant’ who are pulled up the chain in promotions 24X7 devise ways to model policies to create rules that only the preferred group clears.
3. #RelevantlyIrrellevant The basic aim being to completely block the people outside the preferred group. Merit has no place. A non-meritorious and non-performing but ‘preferred’ person gets through while leaving the highly meritorious behind. Soon the bulk is blocked.
1/n Discussing British traditions is an insult to Indian Army. Is there any requirement of a lanyard? I have tweeted extensively in indigenisation of Indian Army. We went wrong in 1947. How could we continue with an army that had NO ROLE in getting independence?
2. Was there any SIKH, MARATHA, MAHAR, PUNJAB, GARHWAL, KUMAON etc. regiment before 1859? Only troops in East India Company came from Avadh. When the country reign passed to Queen, the reorg saw recruitment from different areas. These were on caste basis. Why did we continue?
3. How much pride do you take in the fact that HODSONS HORSE, a Cavalry unit arrested Bahadur Shah Zafar from Red Fort in 1858? This unit prided itself right till the year I got commission in 1982. The name was dropped thereafter. Indians killed Indians wearing different lanyard.