Are HDFC Bank and Kotak Mahindra Bank quality companies? If so, then did they become so without taking credit risk? Answer: No.
There is risk in everything. If, for example, you refuse to take credit risk while investing in bonds, you will only buy treasuries. But treasury bonds are highly risky in the sense that they almost guarantee a long term mediocre (or even negative) real return after inflation.
So, when you try to reduce credit risk, you take on another risk: that of decimated real returns in a world of inflation. Risk, therefore, should be seen from a system point of view.
Often the “form” changes but total risk does not. This is analogous to the law of conservation of energy.
In the world of business, it’s very common to feel protected by taking some actions against some risk but to later find that one had merely substituted one form of risk with another.
For example, when a steel company enters into a long-term, fixed price contract with an iron ore mining company, it may feel that it’s profits are protected from a rise in the price of iron ore.
But in the absence of an exchange traded contract (which guarantees all trades) the steel company has merely replaced “commodity price risk” with “credit risk.”
If the price of iron ore goes up a lot, then the mining company might renege on its contract (with proper excuses of course) to supply the ore at fixed price which is much lower than spot price. That’s credit risk.
And even if the contract to buy and sell the iron ore was executed on a commodity exchange, the steel company is relying on the net worth of the exchange to protect it from counter-party default. And when there are large scale counter party defaults, the exchanges go bust.
That’s because the net worth of exchanges are never sufficient to deal with large scale counter-party defaults because, by definition, they are asset-light models which don’t hold sufficient cash on balance sheet to meet with obligations that will arise in a black swan event.
This happened in so many cases including NSEL. The key point of this thread is that when one looks at risk, then it’s important to look at it holistically and be aware of how it can change “forms.”
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Technically speaking it’s possible. In a tobacco litigation scenario, if courts decide against the company and award huge damages, then litigants can go after all its assets.
But the taint of tobacco is removed from non tobacco assets if they are separated from the tobacco operations with ITC tobacco having no stake in them.
In the US something analogous happened when tobacco companies massively increased dividend payout ratios thereby protecting payouts to shareholders from litigation awards.
Take the examples of Uber and Airbnb for example. When they started out, they not only took on entrenched players (taxi operators and hotels), they also took on regulations.
Indeed, if you read the history of these companies, you will find that they pretty much broke the laws that existed in their early days.
Then I update them on my thinking about this business, management and valuation. This year, I spoke that (which I won't discuss here) and also about some additional lessons. Listing them here:
The importance of distinguishing between things that are under your control and those that you cannot control.
Incidentally, lots of other stuff can be done with this data. For example, if we know P/E and P/B, then we can derive E/B or ROE. And plot it over a period of time. It will be quite revealing if you do that.
AAA bond yields and their comparison with E/P (the reciprocal of P/E or earnings yield) will also be useful.
One student in my Forensic Accounting course wrote about manipulation in many large companies and how it pushes the retail investor into the corner. My (slightly edited) response:
All investing carries risk. Equity investing is no different. But look at the world around you. If you really want to compound your capital and beat inflation and make some real money, you have to invest in equities - which includes owning 100% of your own business by the way.
Yes, you will lose money because of misgovernance. But that does not mean that everyone is a crook. So you have to find ways to avoid getting stuck in businesses with governance issues. And even if you exercise all caution, you will still not be immune.
At one point during the talk, Neeraj showed an example when he deliberately asked a dumb question from the management of a company he was working on. Immediately I could relate this to Detective Columbo. See this: quora.com/How-has-the-Co…