On vaccinating children. UK data released today reports that over ONE Year 5,800 children were admitted with Covid19, 690 children admitted with a linked paediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome(PIMS-TS) of whom 251 required intensive care. 25 children died from Covid19. (1)
What about Long Covid? ONS figures: 14.5% (of children aged 12-16 have symptoms lasting longer than 5 weeks, and 5.7% (4.1-8.1) lose taste and smell. If half of all children aged 12-16 became infected we might expect >100,000 to lose taste +smell. (3) ons.gov.uk/releases/preva…
An excellent recent study in adults where brain scans done before the pandemic and after showed Covid +ve cases with loss of taste and smell showed thinning of the brain cortex in the areas of the brain that deal with taste and smell. medrxiv.org/content/10.110… (4)
Of course self-reported symptoms can over-estimate a problem and we don't yet have brain scan data on children. But this evidence raises sufficient doubts about longer term effects on children to NOT say the risks to them are extremely low. (5)
But there are other population reasons to vaccinate children. First, having the virus circulating freely among 12 million children is a potential incubator for new variants. Second, they might circulate the virus to other members of their family who may have waning immunity? (6)
Fourth, if the Ro value of delta variant is say 6.5 (range 5-8) we may need >85% vaccinated to achieve effective population immunity. But if 12 million children are excluded, we cannot reach that figure even if all others are immunised. Except through infection. (8)
Fifth, vaccine protected children are less likely to have their education disrupted, to be asked to isolate, and are more able to travel abroad. (9)
Safety of the vaccines is good. The US FDA approved its use based on large trials in 12-17yo on May 10; the European Medicines Agency on May 28 + the UK MHRA in early June. Worldwide eight million children over 12 have been vaccinated in US, Europe, Israel +mid-East. (10)
The risks of myocarditis in people with vaccines? CDC reviewed 323 people aged< 29 who met the definition of myocarditis and/or pericarditis. 309 (96%) were hospitalized, 295 (95%) discharged, 218(79%) recovered without symptoms, 5 lost to FU, 9 (2.9%) in hospital, 2 in ICU (11)
Decisions abt vaccinating children are difficult. Personally I believe balance of benefits to risks strongly favours vaccinating children aged 12-17. So does Dr David Salisbury, director of immunisation at the Dept of Health until 2013, responsible for many new vaccines. (12)
As a paediatrician I expect there will be differing opinions among the paediatric and medical community so I'd be interested to know views here when you have appraised the evidence. (13)
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The story so far. About the failure of public health. Not masks. Look at the death rates in China (pop 1.4bn), Vietnam (100m), USA (340m) and UK (68m). Yes, you cannot see the death curves in the first two because they are so low. (1)
Our leaders/advisers said you cannot suppress this virus. China and Vietnam did. Then they said these countries will inevitably face a huge second wave. They haven't - just smaller outbreaks that they jump on with good public health implemented by people on the ground. (2)
We were forced into prolonged national lockdowns. Hugely damaging to livelihoods, the economy and mental health. None of the Asian states had national lockdowns, only local ones. Their economies had ten times less damage. (3)
On Children and Long Covid.
No. You are being disingenuous with these studies. We agree the Swiss study is worthless because of type 2 error. Let us now look at the Zoe and the Australia studies...(1)
People are rightly worried about Long Covid and possible effects on children's developing brains. The Zoe study shows 4.4% of 1,734 infected children (588 younger 1,146 older children) get headache, fatigue and anosmia (three neurological signs) lasting more than one month. (2)
Worrying. If children are now to be exposed to infection by the UK government failure with public health/vaccination measures, + say another 50% of children up to 16 become infected, we're looking at 8.8 million x 0.5 x 0.044 = 193,600 kids facing prolonged symptoms. (3)
Several scientists are referring to an unreviewed short Swiss paper to support the idea that Long Covid in children is minimal. medrxiv.org/content/10.110… (1)
The authors correctly point out "limitations include the relatively small number of seropositive children, possible misclassification of some false seropositive children, potential recall bias, parental report of child’s symptoms, and lack of information on symptom severity" (2)
The paper reports on just 109 children picked up as seropositive compared with 1246 negatives. No conclusions can be drawn because of classic type 2 error: failure to reject a false null hypothesis because of an underpowered study. (3)
I agree with you Rob about the severe social + educational impacts of lockdowns which children in countries that suppressed the virus with strong local public health measures to suppress infection have avoided. (1)
But look at the figures from your own pre-print study. 5.1% of 12-17yo positivecases had symptoms lasting over a month, with at least 4 out of five having neurological symptoms (2)
A recent study of 394 + and 388 Covid - adult controls who had brain scans before the pandemic and after showed loss of brain cortex tissue in taste and smell areas of the brain in + cases. (3) medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
We were told you cannot suppress Covid so "we must live with the virus". When Asian states did suppress Covid19, within a month by early March 2020, SAGE were 'unanimous' that these states would face a huge second wave. Here are the cases in UK, S Korea and China: (1)
...and here are the deaths (2)
And here is a comparison of death rates in countries that did and did not suppress the virus with effective find, test and supported isolation programmes. (3)
Modelling is very tricky right now. It's very difficult to predict the future given uncertainty about transmission of the delta variant, the impact of behaviour changes and levels of population immunity. I'm not a modelIer so here are some differing views (1)
The original Warwick model from the government SPI(M) committee gave a very pessimistic view of the impact of a 40% increase in transmission on hospital admissions...and many think the increase is now 70%. But they are currently revising their model. (2)
This latest thread from mathematician James Ward is interesting and expresses uncertainties clearly.