Some questions to this ignoramus:

1- Where in the text highlighted with the red arrow does it say “but their blood and their wealth is permissible”?
2- Why didn’t you read and translate the passage “وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص لعدم قيام الحجة عليه? which comes right after the passage quoted above (Point 3)
3- This ignoramus gives a horrible translation to Point 5 that completely distorts the intended meaning as shown in the linked tweet

4- The ignoramus shoots himself in the foot here when he attempts to translate Point 7 as he doesn’t realise it destroys the entire rant he has in the middle of his video

Question:

You said that they “stop until the information is presented etc”

Stop from doing what?
And that’s me ignoring the terrible translation & going just by what you said.

Stop from doing what? What are they “stopping themselves” from?

If you say stop from making Takfir, well they already said, according to you that this person is not a Muslim.

So it can’t be that
It can only be that they’re stopping themselves from applying the hukm of kufr (ie making the blood and wealth halal) until the Hujjah Al Risaaliyyah is established.

And as that’s the case, this completely renders the rant you had in the middle of the video irrelevant
As for the shock & horror drama show you put on because the Najdis say a person in the state of Shirk is not given the label of Muslim, then this is discussed here
What should be shocking to everyone, be they Salafi, Ash’ari or Sufi, is the fact you think a person in the state of Major Shirk is still labelled a Muslim 🤣

We laugh at those liberals on here who label everyone Muslim no matter what they believe but you’re no different
Rather, as we mentioned above, Shirk and Tawheed are complete opposites that cannot be found in a person at the same time. It’s either one or the other
Ibn Qayyim said:

أن الله تعالى قسم الخلائق قسمين: سفيهًا لا أَسْفَه منه، ورشيدا فالسفيه من رَغِب عن مِلَّتِه إلى الشِّرك، والرشيد من تَبَرَّأ من الشِّرك قولاً وعملاً وحالاً فكان قولُه توحيدًا، وعملُه توحيدًا، وحالُه توحيدًا، ودعوتُه توحيدًا. فالمعرِضُ عن التوحيد مُشرك شاء أم أبى
But we differentiate between one whom Hujjah has been established & one whom the Hujjah has not been established.

The former is a Mushrik but the ruling of Kufr (ie the punishments attached in the Dunya & eternality in the fire) aren’t applied until the Hujjah is established
And some of the Najdiyyah attach these individuals to the Ahl Al Fatrah as we mentioned in thread 3

Whereas for the latter, the rulings of Kufr are applied in this Dunya as we judge by what’s apparent and Allah is the judge of what’s in the Batin

But neither are labelled Muslim
And to say this is like the Mu’tazilite belief of “Al Manzilah Bayn Al Manzilatayn” just exposes this individual’s ignorance further

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13 Sep
.@BroHajji says that he “takes knowledge from Shaykh Abdul Aziz Al Turayfi”

The Najdi Imams and I were labelled Takfeeri & ISIS forefathers/sympathisers by this ignoramus for saying that you cannot be a Muslim and a Mushrik at the same time

Let’s see if he is consistent
Abdul Aziz Al Turayfi says:

ولهذا نقول: نثبت الأسماء على من ظهر منه موجبها, ونُتْبِع الحكم إذا قامت الحجة عليه
Here we learn two points

1/ Al Turayfi affirms the name upon whomever we see doing something that necessitates that name being attached unto them

2/ Al Turayfi says we then follow up the giving of this name with the [relevant] ruling when the Hujjah is established

What Ruling?
Read 18 tweets
12 Sep
The ignoramus attempted a reply to my thread here. Let us provide a quick reply
Tweet 1:



Reply:

Regarding point 1 it seems you haven’t even understood the point of contention here

As we explained here, The Najdis do not apply the ruling of Kufr
(ie they don’t make a specific individual’s blood and wealth halal) until they establish the Hujjah Al Risaaliyyah upon said individual.

However, they don’t label an individual who is in the state of Shirk a Muslim as we showed here:
Read 23 tweets
11 Sep
It’s important to note that what we judge is based on what’s apparent and the Batin is left for Allah.

As for the statement that “الباطن يتبعه بعض احكام الدنيا” then if what’s intended is that the Istitabah etc is something that shows the Batin of an individual then this is fine
But still everything in this world is based upon the apparent.

Because we cannot label someone a Kafir except through what is apparent.
Read 4 tweets
11 Sep
If the three previous threads are understood, we can now understand a statement of some Najdi scholars that is commonly shared
The statement:

إذا كان يعمل بالكفر والشرك، لجهله، أو عدم من ينبهه، لا نحكم بكفره حتى تقام عليه الحجة؛ ولكن لا نحكم بأنه مسلم، بل نقول عمله هذا كفر، يبيح المال والدم، وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص، لعدم قيام الحجة عليه؛ لا يقال: إن لم يكن كافرا، فهو مسلم، بل نقول عمله عمل الكفار
Read 21 tweets
11 Sep
Salih Aal Al Shaykh said:
فهناك أحكام دنيوية وهناك أحكام أخروية، فأحكام الدنيا بحسب الظاهر وأحكام الآخرة بحسب الظاهر والباطن، والعباد ليس عليهم إلا الظاهر، وربنا – جل وعلا – يتولى السرائر. فإذا أظهر طائفة كفراً أو معين كفراً فإنه يكفره العالم إذا قامت الشروط وانتفت الموانع يكفره بعينه، ومن قام به الكفر
أو قام به الشرك سواء كان معذوراً أو غير معذور؛ يعني لم تقم به الحجة فهو كافر ومشرك ظاهراً.
    فإذن من قام به الشرك فهو مشرك؛ لأن كل مولود ولد على الفطرة، والله – جل وعلا – أقام الدلائل على وحدانيته في الأنفس وفي الآفاق، وهذه الدلائل حجة على المرء في أنه لا يعذر في أحكام الدنيا
Read 19 tweets
11 Sep
it is important to understand that judgements in this world are in accordance to what is apparent.

As for judgements based on what is on the inside (Al Batin), then this is predicated upon the establishment of the Hujjah Al Risaaliyyah (وما كنا معذبين حتى نبعث رسولا)
The second rightly guided caliph said:

إنما نأخذكم الآن بما ظهر لنا من أعمالكم، فمن أظهر لنا خيراً أمناه وقربناه وليس إلينا من سريرته شيء، الله يحاسبه في سريرته، ومن أظهر لنا سوءاً لم نأمنه ولم نصدقه وإن قال إن سريرته حسنة

sunnah.com/bukhari:2641
We can derive from this that anyone from whom Shirk becomes apparent, we are to judge him based on that which is apparent.
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