.@BroHajji says that he “takes knowledge from Shaykh Abdul Aziz Al Turayfi”

The Najdi Imams and I were labelled Takfeeri & ISIS forefathers/sympathisers by this ignoramus for saying that you cannot be a Muslim and a Mushrik at the same time

Let’s see if he is consistent
Abdul Aziz Al Turayfi says:

ولهذا نقول: نثبت الأسماء على من ظهر منه موجبها, ونُتْبِع الحكم إذا قامت الحجة عليه
Here we learn two points

1/ Al Turayfi affirms the name upon whomever we see doing something that necessitates that name being attached unto them

2/ Al Turayfi says we then follow up the giving of this name with the [relevant] ruling when the Hujjah is established

What Ruling?
He says just a couple lines prior:

إذا حكمت على أحد بالكفر لا يلزم من ذلك أن تقوم بقتله أو أن تستبيح دمه أو عرضه أو غير ذلك، فهذا حكم زائد عن الاسم،
We learn from this two points:

1/ Just because you judge a specific person with Kufr doesn’t necessitate that you go and kill them or make their blood & honour halal etc

Why?

2/ Because this is a HUKM (ruling) that is extra to the name

Give us an example O Turayfi!
Al Turayfi says:

إذا كان مثلاً هناك شخص تلبس بالكفر، طرأ, هذا كافر لتلبسه بالكفر, لكن قد تقوم قرينة تحتاج في ذلك أن تنزل الحكم عليه، تقيم الحجة عليه،
Here we learn three points:

1/ A person in the state of Kufr is not a Muslim.

2/ Al Turayfi says he is a Kafir due to being in the state of Kufr

Remember we said there’s Khilaf as to what to label a person we know is in the state of Kufr but the Hujjah hasn’t been established
But that there’s consensus that such a person is not a Muslim.

See:
3/ However, there may be an external factor that you need to establish before placing the ruling [ie making the blood halal etc] upon this individual ie establish the Hujjah Al Risaaliyyah upon them
Al Turayfi says:

الذين يطوفون على القبور والأضرحة وغير ذلك في بلدان المسلمين ويسجدون لها من دون الله وينذرون ويسألونها من دون الله سبحانه وتعالى هؤلاء مشركون، لكن هل للإنسان أن ينزل عليهم حكم الله لمجرد نزول الاسم؟ لا، لا يلزم من ورود الاسم ورود الحكم حتى يكون موجب الحكم أيضاً
We learn two points:

1/ He gives examples of matters that he deems shirk and that those individuals who fall into them are not Muslim

Why?

Because they’re in the state of Shirk

2/ He says they’re Mushrikeen (remember we mentioned why this is the case here & the Khilaf)
2/ But just because the name is applied doesn’t necessitate applying the Hukm of Kufr until what necessitates the application of this Hukm is found.

What is this that’s required for the Hukm to be applied?

Establishment of the Hujjah Al Risaaliyyah
Now I ask the reader to read this thread and then read the attached thread to this tweet and see what is the difference between the Najdi Imams and I (the Takfeeri ISIS forefathers/sympathisers) and the Shaykh of @BroHajji

The only difference is the Khilaf I spoke about above
Reference for Turayfi’s quote:

audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.ph…
After this, we now have a few questions for the ignoramus:

Is your shaykh, whom you proudly boast to take knowledge from, a Takfeeri & ISIS sympathiser for saying what the Najdi Imams and myself said?
If you ask me, I believe this Fuwaysiq is a Deobandi larper who has never read a complete work of this “Shaykh” whom he claims to take knowledge from.

He just said that he takes knowledge from him to aid him in his squabble with SPUBs and ARH over the issue of Khuruj
And so it would not surprise me if Turayfi is labelled by this Fuwaysiq Takfeeri/ISIS sympathiser.

But doing this will make it even worse for him as it will confirm that he claimed to be a “student of a Takfeeri/ISIS sympathiser” 🤣🤣
And this is just the start. There will more Ilzaamaat coming for this “Athari Hanafi” Fuwaysiq.

And Allah knows best

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12 Sep
The ignoramus attempted a reply to my thread here. Let us provide a quick reply
Tweet 1:



Reply:

Regarding point 1 it seems you haven’t even understood the point of contention here

As we explained here, The Najdis do not apply the ruling of Kufr
(ie they don’t make a specific individual’s blood and wealth halal) until they establish the Hujjah Al Risaaliyyah upon said individual.

However, they don’t label an individual who is in the state of Shirk a Muslim as we showed here:
Read 23 tweets
11 Sep
Some questions to this ignoramus:

1- Where in the text highlighted with the red arrow does it say “but their blood and their wealth is permissible”?
2- Why didn’t you read and translate the passage “وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص لعدم قيام الحجة عليه? which comes right after the passage quoted above (Point 3)
3- This ignoramus gives a horrible translation to Point 5 that completely distorts the intended meaning as shown in the linked tweet

Read 13 tweets
11 Sep
It’s important to note that what we judge is based on what’s apparent and the Batin is left for Allah.

As for the statement that “الباطن يتبعه بعض احكام الدنيا” then if what’s intended is that the Istitabah etc is something that shows the Batin of an individual then this is fine
But still everything in this world is based upon the apparent.

Because we cannot label someone a Kafir except through what is apparent.
Read 4 tweets
11 Sep
If the three previous threads are understood, we can now understand a statement of some Najdi scholars that is commonly shared
The statement:

إذا كان يعمل بالكفر والشرك، لجهله، أو عدم من ينبهه، لا نحكم بكفره حتى تقام عليه الحجة؛ ولكن لا نحكم بأنه مسلم، بل نقول عمله هذا كفر، يبيح المال والدم، وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص، لعدم قيام الحجة عليه؛ لا يقال: إن لم يكن كافرا، فهو مسلم، بل نقول عمله عمل الكفار
Read 21 tweets
11 Sep
Salih Aal Al Shaykh said:
فهناك أحكام دنيوية وهناك أحكام أخروية، فأحكام الدنيا بحسب الظاهر وأحكام الآخرة بحسب الظاهر والباطن، والعباد ليس عليهم إلا الظاهر، وربنا – جل وعلا – يتولى السرائر. فإذا أظهر طائفة كفراً أو معين كفراً فإنه يكفره العالم إذا قامت الشروط وانتفت الموانع يكفره بعينه، ومن قام به الكفر
أو قام به الشرك سواء كان معذوراً أو غير معذور؛ يعني لم تقم به الحجة فهو كافر ومشرك ظاهراً.
    فإذن من قام به الشرك فهو مشرك؛ لأن كل مولود ولد على الفطرة، والله – جل وعلا – أقام الدلائل على وحدانيته في الأنفس وفي الآفاق، وهذه الدلائل حجة على المرء في أنه لا يعذر في أحكام الدنيا
Read 19 tweets
11 Sep
it is important to understand that judgements in this world are in accordance to what is apparent.

As for judgements based on what is on the inside (Al Batin), then this is predicated upon the establishment of the Hujjah Al Risaaliyyah (وما كنا معذبين حتى نبعث رسولا)
The second rightly guided caliph said:

إنما نأخذكم الآن بما ظهر لنا من أعمالكم، فمن أظهر لنا خيراً أمناه وقربناه وليس إلينا من سريرته شيء، الله يحاسبه في سريرته، ومن أظهر لنا سوءاً لم نأمنه ولم نصدقه وإن قال إن سريرته حسنة

sunnah.com/bukhari:2641
We can derive from this that anyone from whom Shirk becomes apparent, we are to judge him based on that which is apparent.
Read 8 tweets

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