The ignoramus attempted a reply to my thread here. Let us provide a quick reply
https://twitter.com/Aal_Moalim/status/1436796395491663881
Tweet 1:
Reply:
Regarding point 1 it seems you haven’t even understood the point of contention here
As we explained here, The Najdis do not apply the ruling of Kufr
https://twitter.com/BroHajji/status/1437042102496636933?s=20
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Regarding point 1 it seems you haven’t even understood the point of contention here
As we explained here, The Najdis do not apply the ruling of Kufr
https://twitter.com/aal_moalim/status/1436652080844976131
(ie they don’t make a specific individual’s blood and wealth halal) until they establish the Hujjah Al Risaaliyyah upon said individual.
However, they don’t label an individual who is in the state of Shirk a Muslim as we showed here:
However, they don’t label an individual who is in the state of Shirk a Muslim as we showed here:
https://twitter.com/aal_moalim/status/1436620595588907010
The quote said:
بل نقول عمله هذا كفر، يبيح المال والدم، وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص، لعدم قيام الحجة عليه
We say that this act of his is
Kufr which permits the wealth and the blood even if we don’t judge it upon THIS individual due to the Hujjah not being established
بل نقول عمله هذا كفر، يبيح المال والدم، وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص، لعدم قيام الحجة عليه
We say that this act of his is
Kufr which permits the wealth and the blood even if we don’t judge it upon THIS individual due to the Hujjah not being established
What do we learn from this:
• The Kufr act being committed makes one’s blood and wealth halal
as we know major Shirk & Kufr makes a person’s blood & wealth Halal as per the Hadith
لا يحل دم امرئ مسلم إلا رجل زنى بعد إحصانه أو كفر بعد إسلامه أو النفس بالنفس
& the Hadith
• The Kufr act being committed makes one’s blood and wealth halal
as we know major Shirk & Kufr makes a person’s blood & wealth Halal as per the Hadith
لا يحل دم امرئ مسلم إلا رجل زنى بعد إحصانه أو كفر بعد إسلامه أو النفس بالنفس
& the Hadith
أمرت أن أقاتل الناس، حتى يشهدوا أن لا إله إلا الله، وأن محمدا رسول الله، ويقيموا الصلاة، ويؤتوا الزكاة، فإذا فعلوا ذلك عصموا مني دماءهم وأموالهم، إلا بحق الإسلام، وحسابهم على الله
This is a general ruling & not to be applied upon a specific individual until the Hujjah is established upon them
Which is exactly what the Najdis said
وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص لعدم قيام الحجة عليه
They don’t apply this general ruling upon until the Hujjah is established
Which is exactly what the Najdis said
وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص لعدم قيام الحجة عليه
They don’t apply this general ruling upon until the Hujjah is established
So there’s a general ruling which is that the Mushrik/Kafir’s blood and wealth is no longer Ma’soom
And there’s an individual ruling which is that we don’t apply the general ruling upon a specific individual until the Hujjah is established upon them
And there’s an individual ruling which is that we don’t apply the general ruling upon a specific individual until the Hujjah is established upon them
Like we gave in the example of Mushrik X who claims Islam but worships Ganesh
This person is not a Muslim and the general ruling is that the Mushrik’s blood & wealth is halal
However, we don’t apply this general ruling upon X specifically until the Hujjah‘s established upon him
This person is not a Muslim and the general ruling is that the Mushrik’s blood & wealth is halal
However, we don’t apply this general ruling upon X specifically until the Hujjah‘s established upon him
You however said the Najdis permit the blood and wealth of this individual before the Hujjah has even been established basing this on your terrible translation of the part you read and missing out the passage right after
وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص لعدم قيام الحجة عليه
وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص لعدم قيام الحجة عليه
Tweet 2:
Reply:
We already responded to this in the first reply
https://twitter.com/BroHajji/status/1437042445427093516?s=20
Reply:
We already responded to this in the first reply
Tweet 3:
Reply:
No it’s your terrible Arabic skills which made you completely misunderstand what the statement is saying
https://twitter.com/BroHajji/status/1437042485193285632?s=20
Reply:
No it’s your terrible Arabic skills which made you completely misunderstand what the statement is saying
Tweet 4:
Reply:
Firstly, the quote being discussed does not belong to MIAW 🤦♂️
Secondly, point out the mistranslation...
https://twitter.com/BroHajji/status/1437042561269575686?s=20
Reply:
Firstly, the quote being discussed does not belong to MIAW 🤦♂️
Secondly, point out the mistranslation...
https://twitter.com/aal_moalim/status/1436652101761908737
“And releasing this judgement upon THIS individual specifically rests upon Hujjah reaching him”
It is crystal clear the judgement being referred to here is the ruling of Kufr that they said just a couple of lines prior that they do not apply it without Hujjah being established
It is crystal clear the judgement being referred to here is the ruling of Kufr that they said just a couple of lines prior that they do not apply it without Hujjah being established
https://twitter.com/aal_moalim/status/1436796489079140354
You saying that it refers to “not labelling them Muslim or Kafir” is nonsensical because the Najdis (& anyone with common sense) already believe that anyone who in the state of Major Shirk & Kufr cannot be labelled a Muslim as shown here.
https://twitter.com/Aal_Moalim/status/1436620595588907010
They literally said:
لا يقال: إن لم يكن كافرا، فهو مسلم
“We don’t say if he’s not a Kafir then he must be a Muslim”
Why did they say this right after the comment:
وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص، لعدم قيام الحجة عليه
لا يقال: إن لم يكن كافرا، فهو مسلم
“We don’t say if he’s not a Kafir then he must be a Muslim”
Why did they say this right after the comment:
وإن كنا لا نحكم على هذا الشخص، لعدم قيام الحجة عليه
Cuz they don’t apply the general rulings of Kufr [ie اباحة الدم والمال] upon a specific individual until the Hujjah‘s established
However, because they say this, they’re telling you to not conclude that this person, since we don’t say he’s a Kafir before the Hujjah’s applied,
However, because they say this, they’re telling you to not conclude that this person, since we don’t say he’s a Kafir before the Hujjah’s applied,
he therefore must be a Muslim.
This is not correct because, as mentioned above, you can’t be a Muslim in the state of Shirk at the same time. It’s a contradiction
This is not correct because, as mentioned above, you can’t be a Muslim in the state of Shirk at the same time. It’s a contradiction
You cannot be a Muslim whilst simultaneously believing there’s an independent creator other than Allah
It doesn’t matter if the Hujjah has reached
It doesn’t matter if the Hujjah has reached
or not. You’re not a Muslim.
However, the judgement of Kufr (ie the general ruling of your blood & wealth being halal) being applied upon a specific person is predicated upon the Hujjah being established as they said in that same quote
However, the judgement of Kufr (ie the general ruling of your blood & wealth being halal) being applied upon a specific person is predicated upon the Hujjah being established as they said in that same quote
It’s not rocket science.
Apparently I am a Takfeeri for saying you can’t be a Muslim & a Mushrik/Kafir at the same time 😭
This guy thinks you can still be a Muslim whilst believing Zeus is an independent creator of the universe because you’re a Jahil and so must be excused
Apparently I am a Takfeeri for saying you can’t be a Muslim & a Mushrik/Kafir at the same time 😭
This guy thinks you can still be a Muslim whilst believing Zeus is an independent creator of the universe because you’re a Jahil and so must be excused
It’s simple. If X is in the state of Shirk or Kufr, X is not a Muslim.
But the general rulings of Kufr [ie his blood and wealth being halal, being in hell-fire for eternity etc] aren’t applied upon X until the Hujjah is established upon him.
But the general rulings of Kufr [ie his blood and wealth being halal, being in hell-fire for eternity etc] aren’t applied upon X until the Hujjah is established upon him.
Now is this person in the state of Shirk/Kufr but the Hujjah has not been established upon him given the label of a Mushrik or not, this is a point of Khilaf as mentioned here
And Allah knows best
And Allah knows best
https://twitter.com/Aal_Moalim/status/1436620597304438784
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