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This is part 3 of 'Sines v. Kessler' Charlottesville lawsuit trial live tweets from today (Friday, November 5 after the lunch break)

@IntegrityforUSA plaintiffs' lawyer Alan Levine will continue questioning Michael Hill, leader of the racist and anti-Semitic League of the South

Earlier tweets documenting testimony from today (Hill's earlier testimony is in part 2):

Part 1 -

https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1456609136594939904

Part 2 -

https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1456631754308014085?s=20

Judge Moon has the jury come back in and Alan Levine is resuming his direct examination of Michael Hill. Before lunch, Levine was asking Hill about statements he and Michael Tubbs made hoping for violence at Unite The Right, and his knowledge of plans for the torch march

Levine: Mr. Hill, i wanna turn to Sat. August 12, 2017... you and your League of the South convoy...drove to a meeting place with others from the Nationalist Front... the only part of the plans with Mr. Kessler you didn't like had to do with your transportation...?

Hill: yes and Ike Baker took care of that.

Levine shows an email to Hill from Ike Baker: "...I'm arranging a conversation with J. Schoep. Upon his acceptance of the conditions you laid out last night, planning Operation Shoo-Fly begins in earnest..."

Levine: that discussion with Ike Baker included getting in touch with David Duke, former grand wizard of the KKK... you knew him from your activities in the movement?

Hill: Yes I've known him since the 1990s

Levine: so they you all meet together as planned.. you're at the Market Street garage.. with the other organizations that are in the Nationalist Front...?

Hill: yes we met in the Joann Fabric parking lot then convoyed in to the parking garage...

Levine: you knew that morning from talking to Ike Baker that Baker had actually never come to Charlottesville before that day to figure out the logistics..?

Hill: yes it was too far for him to drive...he did a lot of Google Maps logistics...

Levine: you learned from Ike Baker... that he had never visited Charlottesville physically to make those logistics plans..?

Hill: yes

Levine: and you knew that Ike Baker was talking with Heimbach and Schoep, others in the Nationalist Front, to coordinate all of this?

Hill: Yes

Levine: and Baker selected the Market Street garage bc it was easy to get in and out of town with lots and cars?

Hill: also it was close to the police station...for security

Levine: Baker told you... that he had tried to contact the Cville police that they were not cooperative at all and gave him no advice?

Hill: he generally said they were not cooperative...

Levine: so when you on behalf of the League and the Nationalist Front...decided to march down Market Street it wasn't because the police told you... or recommended that you.. march down Market Street?

Hill: they didn't tell us one way or the other

Levine: you could have entered Emancipation Park from the other entrance...as Kessler had arranged?

Hill: we selected to take Market Street because we didn't like Kessler's security plan

Hill: the police knew that we were going to come down Market Street that morning because Ike Baker told them

Levine: He didn't say that, he didn't testify to that

Hill: he said that in his deposition

Levine: you have filed a document in the court that does'y say anything about what Ike Baker said to the police

Hill: I filed that because I didn't have any personal knowledge

NOTE: This line of Qs from Levine seems to contrast with Matt Heimbach's testimony in which he said, if memory serves, that the TWP/League of the South group had to march down Market Street into counter-protesters the morning of Unite The Right bc the cops told them to

Alan Levine shows the jury exhibit PX-3842, a document signed by Hill that seems to be his answers to interrogatory questions asked to him under oath during earlier proceedings for this case.

Levine focuses on a portion of the document where Hill was asked to "identify each communication concerning the events that you had with any member of law enforcement..."

Levine pulls up Hill's answer to that Q in the sworn document he signed on behalf of himself & League of the South -

Hill wrote "in all, according to Mr. Baker he made around half a dozen calls to these agencies." No written or other records were kept and he cannot recall the names of anyone with whom he spoke. None of the calls, according to Baker were productive in nature."

Levine: in that statement you don't have anything about what Baker said about that one call... isn't it a fact that you didn't walk down Market Street because the police told you to?

Hill: they didn't tell us to

Levine: it's also true that you didn't walk down Market Street because you told the police that you would and then they winked at you?

Hill: all I know is that's what Mr. Baker told me what he told the police.

Levine: but that's not in your sworn answer...

Levine: there's no evidence, other than your say-so here today, what Mr. Baker purportedly said to the police about your route that day?

Hill: yes...

Levine: you know... that the permit for Saturday's rally was for Emancipation Park...?

Hill: yes

Levine: and you knew that the permit did not include a march on Market Street, didn't you?

Hill: [sucks teeth]... let's see. [raises voice] - how do you get to the park if you don't walk down the street to get there?

Levine: I'm asking you if the League of the South had a permit to march down Market Street as if it were a parade....

Hill: no

Levine: you could have gone in through the other entrance like Kessler arranged...

Levine: You wanted to bring your soldiers with shields and flags like they were marching to war...what you wanted was the public confrontation from the League of the South column marching down Market Street?

Hill: that's wrong. We wanted to get to the park safely

Levine: as you marched down Market Street, didn't you know there was going to be a confrontation?

Hill: no

Levine: didn't you see the counter-protesters locked arm in arm in the street?

Hill: yes

Levine: you don't dispute that when you got to them face to face, Mr. Tubbs kept barreling through them with the shields..?

Hill: we made our way into the park

Levine: you made your way into the park by initiating a violent encounter with them, isn't that true?

Hill: we walked through them... there was violence on both sides

Alan Levine is playing part of a video showing the Nationalist Front/League of the South column marching up Market Street towards the counter-protesters. Levine pauses the video and circles Michael Tubbs - Michael Hill is next to him

Levine: you and Mr. Tubbs did not stop walking at any point?

Hill: I'm not sure

Levine: we'll roll the videotape.

The video shows Hill's group plowing into, punching counter-protesters and hitting them with poles

Not sure if its the same exact video but this video of ours shows the incident in question:

Levine: is it a fact that Mr. Tubbs and you did not stop?

Hill: I'd have to see it again... could you have it replayed?

Levine plays the video again. The video shows League of the South leaders Michael Hill and Spencer Borum in particular assaulting people a lot

Hill: ...the main body of the column stopped..

Levine: but Mr. Tubbs and you in the front of the column did not stop, is that right?

Hill: I lost sight of myself... but the main column did stop...

Levine: Isn't it a fact that you and Michael Tubbs, leading the column, did not stop marching down the street until they started to push into the counter-protesters, isn't that right?

Hill: i saw a policeman and he gave me the, 'we're not gonna do anything, we're standing aside'

Levine: that was your impression, he didn't say anything?

Hill: yes

Levine: the counter-protesters were standing still... and Tubbs and you led the column with shields and helmets into them... the shields were used for offense?

Hill: the shields were used to push through the crowd in order to defend our group...

Levine pulls up a transcript of Hill's deposition where he says "it was an act of self-defense for our liberty to exercise our first amendment rights" when asked if the pushing into counter-protesters with shields "was an act of self defense"

Levine: you push through the crowd... you end up getting onto the steps to Emancipation Park and shortly after that happens an unlawful assembly is declared?

Hill: I don't know how long, maybe an hour and a half

Levine: during that time there was a lot of fighting?

Hill: yes.. I had assigned Mr. Tubbs and the shield bearers to be at the entrance to the park where antifa could not get in

Levine: you never set up for the rally in Emancipation Park that day?

Hill: I never found Mr. Kessler...

Levine: you never spoke that day and noone ever gave a speech that day where the rally was supposed to be...?

Hill: yes

Levine: just a lot of violence?

Hill: there was a lot of violence that day, yes

Levine: then you went to Mcintire park... who do you recall seeing there?

Hill: Spencer Borum escorted me there, I can't remember who else..

Levine: on the course of that morning, just "lots of violence" .. all day, isn't that right?

Hill: I don't know about all day, I know that the time where were there... until we left, there was violence pretty much that whole time

Levine: there's the violent death caused by James Fields driving his car into people marching on Water Street?

Hill: that was after the rally...

Levine: there wasn't a rally... the permit was for an event we just established never took place...no speeches were made?

Hill: depends on how you define the event... the permit was for people to gather

Levine: there was violence out in the street.. by participants in the alt-right?

Hill: by participants in the alt-right and participants in antifa and Black Lives Matter...

Levine: and that was the confrontation you were looking forward to, correct?

Hill: absolutely not

Levine: isn't it a fact that the League of the South message that you wanted to communicate on saturday was that the league and its allies would own the streets and anyone who sought to demonstrate against them would be met with violence?

Hill: No that was not my message

Levine: wasn't this what you meant when you sent that tweet " If you want to defend western civilization from the jew and his allies.. come 12 August"?

Hill: absolutely not

Levine: you'd agree some of the violence was initiated by members of the League of the South?

Hill: yes some members engaged in violence that they initiated

Levine shows a News2Share video from the morning of August 12 that shows Michael Hill marching next to Matt Heimbach alongisde/in front of a formation of League of the South members with shields and helmets

the court seems to be having some trouble getting any audio to play on the video exhibit

Levine stops the video and pauses it on a frame - "do you identity League of the South members with the black polo and the emblem" - the video shows several League members surrounding a counter-protester - "those are all League members, correct?"

Hill: "as far as I can tell"

Levine: "I would like you to focus on what the League of the South members are doing to that woman..." - the video shows League members pushing her, knocking her down, one maces here in the face apparently unprovoked after she gets back up from being knocked down

Levine circles all the men in the frame of video as one League member is spraying the mace, Michael Hill concedes they all seem to be League of the South members

Levine: "they pushed her down and then when she got back up, maced her... that wasn't self-defense, correct?"

Hill: I don't know, I would have to see the whole context, I don't know what started the pushing and shoving...

Judge Moon: just go to a couple of seconds before that

Levine: ok (plays video)

Levine: the woman didn't have any kind of weapon in her hands?

Hill: i don't know...

Levine: that you could see...

Levine: she was walking out towards the other part of Market street when one of the League members grabs her, pulls her around and throws her down, isn't that correct?

Hill: it appears the gentleman that approached her pushed her

Levine: in your deposition you admitted this was not an act of self-defense by a League member?

Hill: i think I said that about the mace.. I can't remember about the other

Levine: the violence that day.. included the killing by James Fields of a woman named Heather Heyer... after the events you never condemned the killing publicly on behalf of the League.. you never even expressed remorse...?

Hill: that is correct

Levine: when Fields was convicted... you criticized that verdict saying "There is no justice for the white man in these damnable Jew-run courts"...?

Hill: I'd like to see the document where you allege I said that...

Levine pulls up a 12/8/18 email where Hill wrote exactly that.

Levine: so you were actually telling Sam Dickson that the local Charlottesville courts are "Jew-run"?

Hill: I was speaking in general

Levine: In general? That seems pretty specific to me...

Levine: your co-defendant Michael Tubbs tweeted several times that 'James Fields did nothing wrong', isn't that correct?

Hill: I've heard it alleged that he tweeted that

Alan Levine: so after Charlottesville.. you said to League members that you "wouldn't change a thing" about what happened...?

Michael Hill: yes I did

Levine shows jury a tweet where Michael Hill wrote about Unite The Right - "I was there, in the middle of it all, leading the column that smashed through the leftist barricade. I am involved in legal affairs stemming from the event, but I would not go back and change a thing"

Levine is pulling up a podcast appearance of Michael Hill a few days after the Charlottesville rally - a clip is played for the jury and features Hill saying "I couldn't be happier with the outcome of this for the League..." in reference to Unite The Right

Levine: you also said on Twitter on August 12 that your "warriors had acquitted themselves as men"?

Hill: I certainly did and I'd say it again

Levine shows the tweet to the jury

Levine points out the tweet was sent around 2:30 PM on August 12 saying "The league of the south had a good day in Charlottesville..."

Levine: you didn't have a speech you didn't have a rally...

Levine: no further questions, your honor

Bryan Jones - lawyer for Michael Hill, Michael Tubbs and the League of the South - is up to cross-examine Michael Hill now

Jones: how old are you?

Hill: I'm 69 years old

Jones: how old were you when you founded the League?

Hill: 42

Jones: does the League have a position on the removal of confederate monuments?

Hill: yes... we have a policy that we will go anywhere to defend monuments.. we had been to New Orleans to defend the Robert E. Lee statue... we came to Charlottesville to do the same thing.

Jones is going over the email where Hill called for "no discussion here... of any resistance strategies" and saying such convos should only happen through "secure channels"...

Hill: we knew antifa and Black Lives Matter would try to oppose us.. and we wanted to avoid them

Jones: in this email do you see any mention of using code words or code language?

Hill: No

Email btwn Hill & Gordy Lockerbie.

Lockerbie wrote "torchlight rally location has been leaked and Antifa is posting that they will be there. If LS is going to be in attendance, be cautious"

Hill replied: "Thanks, but this is not our game. We are sending two observers"

Jones is asking Michael Hill about his 7/13/17 email with Michael Tubbs about his talking with Ike Baker about "on-the-ground planning for C'ville". Email refers to the "Pikeville template", Hill says that refers to a plan to arrive and leave safely without conflict w opponents

Jones: so it was your intention to participate in Charlottesville in the same manner that you had in Pikeville...?

Hill: yes

Jones: was there a conspiracy to commit racial violence in Pikeville?

Hill: not that I know if

Jones: did you ask any members of the League to get in touch with the Charlottesville police in advance of the rally?

Hill: we wanted to let them know that our plans were to park in the Market Street garage..for security of our cars & bc it was close to the park, not a long walk

Jones shows Michael Hill another email that Levine had pulled up earlier.

Jones: it appears this email was sent on July, 7, 2017... Jones points out the part where Hill claimed that antifa would have firearms and explosives, asks if that's what prompted him to get shields

Jones: was this the first time in your life that you had heard that antifa was a potentially violent organization?... and you weren't surprised by that?

Hill: Not at all

Jones shows Michael Hill a post he made on the League of the South's website on August 7, 2017 - "the League and the Unite The Right rally"

Jones: what are you advising League members to do?

Hill: obey all authorities..to keep order...obey all gun laws...do not verbally incite illegal behavior... engage in violence.. only in defense of your persons and compatriots and property.. .do not initiate physical contact

Jones: why did you post that?

Hill: i wanted our League members who were going to know what they were to do, and specifically what they were not to do.

Jones: in the leadup to Charlottesville were you aware of a Discord server... did you delegate someone to monitor it?

Hill: Ike Baker had made a Discord server for the Pikeville event so I knew he was familiar... I had him join the Charlottesville Discord

Jones asks Hill about the group staying at the Seven Oaks retreat on their way into Charlottesville for Unite The Right. Hill says that was done "on the recommendation of our logistics officer"

Jones: when you arrived at the Market Street parking garage, did you know whether the streets leading up to Emancipation Park were open for vehicle traffic?

Hill: It was closed to auto traffic and open only to foot traffic

Jones: was there some other rally happening that day?

Hill: I'd heard there were counter rallies

Jones: so bc there was a permit for Emancipation Park, the surrounding streets were blocked off.. who blocked the streets?

Hill: I suppose local law enforcement did

Jones is showing another exhibit - the same video Levine played before of counter-protesters standing with arms linked in the street before Hill's group marches towards them.

Jones points out there is white and non-white ppl in the group, has Hill circle the few POCs he sees

Jones shows a picture of Michael Tubbs and Spencer Borum from the League of the South charging into counter-protesters. Jones circles and has Hill point out a Black person in the background

Jones: in a conspiracy to commit racially motivated violence, why would they push the white protesters?

Hill I don't know

Jones shows Michael Hill his tweet Levine showed earlier where he says he "would not go back and change a thing" and also to "the column that smashed through the leftist barricade"

Jones: is that referring to the car attack or the torch rally?

Hill: No

Jones asks Hill if he attended any of the Richard Spencer/Identity Evropa afterparties, he says no. Jones asks Hill if he considers himself a "follower" of any of the codefendants as he lists off their names, Hill says no. Jones asks if he knew James Fields, Hill says no

Bryan Jones is done cross-examining Michael Hill.

Judge Moon calls for a 20 min recess

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part 1 of today's Sines v. Kessler live tweets:

https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1456609136594939904

part 2:

https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1456631754308014085

part 3:

https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1456675798652375042

Part 4 starts below:

https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1456702046350938116