Thread by @Alminhaji

The real #wahabi - #Fake #salafi Creed

Is Istiwa Sitting?
Ibn Baz: Not sure.
Ibn Uthaimeen: Maybe yes maybe no.
Albani: no, he said any athar that says it is a fabrication.
Fawzaan: Yes he is. in one book. but in another book: No never!

Ibn Jubreen: Saying this is of the salaf is a lie.
Mohammad bin Ibrahim: Yes ofcourse!
Ar Rajahi: sure. Istiwa only means sitting.

Is he physically on the throne, touching it, his weight is upon it?
Ibn Mane': No.
Ibn Qayyim: No.
Salih Al Shaikh: Denying this is wrong! He touched alot of things!
Uthaymeen: Don't know.
Fawzaan: We don't say this.
Albani; we don't speak of this!

Where do the feet go?!
Uthaymeen: the foot stool obviously!
Fawzan: Footstool.
Rajahi: Footstool.
Ibn Baz: Well there isn't any evidence for that.
Albani: we are not going into this!

Real #Salaf: Tabari: The Kursi is His knowledge!

Adam & God look alike?!
Rajahi: the Image of God and Adam are the same! (Let's go to Rome?!)
Uthaymeen: Yes what man looks like originally is what God looks like! (hmmm older human version?!)
Tuwejeri: Ofcourse!
Albani: This is nonsense!
Afifi: ofcourse.

Does God's body have boundaries? (this shows they lack Arabic)
Ibn Baaz: Yes, we don't know it.
Jibreen: yes; it is between us and him. Uthaymeen agreed.
Albani: No evidence for this.

Does He get Bored?!
Mohammad bin Ibrahim: yes.
Ibn Baaz: Yes.
Uthaymeen: Yes. but in a matter that befits him.
Albani: We don't speak of this!

But where is He? really where?
Salih Al Shaikh: He is Physically everywhere around everything!
Ibn Al Qayyim: He is Physically surrounding everything.
AL Bani: He is on his throne, and above everything, surrounding everything, where ever you turn he is there!

Al bani goes on: if you drew a line from you to the end of creation you will find him there!
Ibn Abi Al Izz: We don't mean this physically.

Is He physically with us?!
Tuwejiri: No.
Uthaymeen: yes ofcourse, but we don't tell the people this.
Ibn Baaz; Uthaymeen repented from this.
Ibn Al Qayyim: yes.

Does a Wali have powers?
Bin Baz: This is Shirk!
IT: Sure!

Does He run?
Bin Baaz: Ofcourse!
Uthaymen: In a matter that befits him!
Ibn Jibreen: No, ofcourse not!
Fawzaan: That's not what Harwalah means!
Albani: It's like going and coming!

Does He have a Location?!
Albani: No.
Albani: Yes.

You know I was asked today: Do wahabis say He moves around? I said yes, I was called names!
Bin Baaz: Ofcourse He doesn't!
Uthaymeen: Ofcourse He does.
Baraak: Yes.
Albani: No.
And then they claimed they all had the same creed!
325 all over again Riyad version though

Does He settle in his throne?
Uthaymen: yes, that is Istiwa, getting up and settling in! But Uthaymen also said: We shouldn't say settling in!!
Ibn Jirben: Istiwa is indeed Settling in his chair.
Fawzan: Look Istiwa mean: going up, then settling in, and going up and rising up.

Bakr Abu Zayd: Some of those lying about IT said he said it was settling in.
IT: Going up and settling in.
I guess Bakr was upset they left going up out!

Albani: don't say settling in, this is a human thing, unless we say; settling in, in a matter befitting him!
Albani: as for sitting there is no evidence for this. the one that is circulating is a fabrication.

Ibn Al Qayim: Settling in is the way of the salaf. Even though bayhaqi said the athar is rejected!
Nevertheless, he still kept it in him poem!
Uthaymen: Istiwa and settling in are not like sitting, all sitting narrations are weak.
I guess settling is more than sitting

But when he comes down; is the throne Empty?
IT: No, throne stays full.
Mohammad Al Shaikh: Look He comes down.
Uthaymen: we don't know.
Jibren: We don't care.
Albani: No, the throne stays full.

One Useful response who ever says there is sitting, settling, getting up, going up....etc.
Tell them: He does as He wills, whenever he wills; so He might not be there now.
Their whole nonsense goes out the window!

Does he have doubts?
IT: Yes, this was said, and it is Haq! Whoever denies this ought to be punished!
Salih Al Shaykh: Yes, of the second kind!
Ibn Baz: Yes!
Uthaymen: No, but he expresses it out of mercy.
Fawzan: Yes, but since my servant doesn’t want me to.
Farkous: Yes.

Does he have a Belt holding his … Izar?
IT: that befits him; sure.
Barak: IT said therefore it is!
Qhunayman: Indeed!
Albani: All I can say is what you see he has alhaqu as stated but befitting to him!

Now, in the age of health and weight, how heavy is he?
IT: Only a Jahmi would say he isn’t heavy!
Ibn Qayim: Yes.
Ibn Qayim: No, it’s the weight of the throne.
Shibl: You know when you sit in a new chair and it squeaks, so does the throne, that’s how heavy he is!

Ibn Al Qayim: in his poem: It’s the throne because of him!

Note: We do not belittle the severity of these outrageous, vile, and horrible claims!
I am simply trying to show you how evil, sick and disturbing these people are!!
I ask Allah to keep you, your heart and your families safe; from these innovators and their claims.

Can I travel to him?
Fabrications claimed to be Dharimi: Yes.
Al Abbad: Yes.
Most Wahhabis: Yes.
Some: We could travel to him, via a special craft.

Al Harras said: He sees everything what is far and what is near, nothing blocks his vision!
AlJami comments on this: we don’t say “what if far” for we are to him as a mustard seed in our hand.

Salih Al Shaikh said: 2 Attributes most don’t pay attention to, nor can anyone understand:
1. His physical closeness.
2. His Physical surroundingness.

At the end of days; Uthaymen tells us something Important:
Everything is destroyed except for his face, we might not know what this face looks like, but we know everything will be destroyed but this face that we do not know!

He goes on: Uthaymen says: This face is great, huge nothing like our faces.

Have you heard of Hufz attribute?
Al’ly; Theology teach in Saudi Arabia said: one attribute many overlook is the attribute of hufz. This is different than Hafiz & Hafeez!

Does he have a shadow?
Bin Baz: Yes.
Uthaymen: Who ever says yes is a Donkey.
Albani: No.
Barak: No.

Does he go silent?
IT: Yes.
Bin Baaz: Yes.
Uthaymen: Yes, going silent is perfection.
Salih Al Shaikh: No.

Does he smell things?
Bin Baz: Why not?!
Barak: Why not?!
Uthaymen: Can't tell, why ask, but why not?!

Ok ok; what resemblance does he have to us?
Uthaymen: Well, a face, eye, hand, a leg, but it doesn't have to look like us.
Barak: we can't say no.
Salih Al Shaikh: Saying no is wrong!
Albani: believing this is Kufr.

Ibn Jibrin says: the Karramyyah are when it comes to The Attributes closest to Ahl Sunnah
والكرامية هم أتباع محمد بن كرام، وكانوا في باب الإيمان بالصفات أقرب إلى أهل السنة

Albani say: the Karramyyah are a group of innovators that believed in Tajsim
الكرامية: .. طائفة من المبتدعة تقول بالتجسيم وغيره

Look how Ibn Jibrin accepts Ibn Karram who was known as being kinda slow when it came to intelligence!
He calls him a scholar who is fanous, has an error but he is the closest to what is accurate!

Ibn Jibrin goes on to: when he gets to who was actually aleays considered a scholar, by literally everyone but the Karramyyah!
He lies and makes him look bad, makes up nonsense!
None of which is true ever!
The only person that actually hated Ibn Kullab, was Ibn Karram!

Uthaymen on Speech: Karramyyah say the same as ahl sunnah!

قول الكرامية: وهو كقول أهل السنة

Rajihi tells us that his ahl sunnah & Karramyyah say the same!
وقالت طائفة: إن كلام الرب بحرف وصوت حادث في ذاته، وهم الكرامية.

وقالت طائفة: إن كلام الرب بحرف وصوت قديم النوع حادث الآحاد، وهم أهل السنة والجماعة.

Does he have five senses?
Albani: I don’t know! Some say IT said he does!
Albani: Can we call it senses?! I don’t know, sone said he feels, others say smells, but we reject tasting.
Rajihi: yeah, but smelling I don’t know; oh sh bin baz said yes.