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The #true #history of the group known as #karramyyah

This group was founded by a man named Abu Abdullah Mohammad bin Karram AsSijistani; his speeches were powerful, people came from all over to see him and be with him. He was from those we describe as ‘Ubbad & Zuhhad, he lived a simple life, and this made him popular!

He was born around 190 AH - died around 255 AH : so he passed around his mid 60s. He studied in Khurasaan, then moved to Mecca, stayed there around 5-6 years, then moved back to Sijistan.

During these travels he met some of the well known scholars in the Muslim world at the time. Keep in mind this is during the Mu’tazilah prime. There was chaos. This worked for him. He was known for attacking everyone! Even Ahl Sunnah!

After getting in trouble due to his speeches he goes to prison for 8 years then moves to Quds.

Notable Karramyyah:
Abu Yaqub AnNaysaburi Ishaaq d. 383
Abu Hasan AnNaysaburi Ali bin Mohammad d. 341
Abu Al Faraj Abdurahman bin Mohammad d. 366
Mohammad bin Al Hayssam around d. 410
Ahmad bin Al Hayssam d. 460
Abu Rasheed Ali bin Uthman Al Haysami d. 544

As Ibn Karram was gaining popularity he was able to influence some of his own teachers to his calling such as Ahmad bin Harb.
Ibn Karram throughout his works relies heavily on Muqatil.

Some of the groups beliefs:
They believe God has a body.
This body has a had.
This had we know of is that which is under him that seats him on the throne.
He is above his throne.
After the creation he went up above and rested upon it.
As for the other directions no.

Continuation:
God is a Jawhar.
He is a substance.
He & man look the same.
The Throne is his space, place & location.
He is touching the Throne.
He created his space.
He fits on the Throne and fills it.
He changes.
Things happen to him.

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When he says Kunn; a being is.
When he wants to create he changes, opinions form in him.
He will it.
His ability charges up.
His knowledge lines up.
Then his ability listens to his will that follows his knowledge that choose an opinion.

Continuation:
He has a tool he uses for sight.
He has to hear sounds, see changes.
If he wants, to eliminate something; he has to say: Kunn, for it to happen.
Ofcourse this has to be letters and sounds.
All his Kalam are letters and sounds.

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As for his words do they vanish; the Karramyyah differed some said yes, while others said know. But the majority said yes, like when you speak, you words and sounds vanish so does his.
He cannot eliminate matter.
They said He is heavy, due to His weight.

Continuation:
His weight is what the Quran is referring to in إِذا السَّمَاء انفطرت
His names come from his attributes.
His attributes come from him actually doing.
Thus he has to be performing to get the attribute.
So he always has creation with him, so he can be the creator

Continuation:
He can always and at any time do Kalam.
He can always do Qawl, but he choices not to. (Don’t ask, I think they tried to add silence)
His Qawl is Hadeth.
His Kalam Is Qadim.
They say he is the creator, but isn’t the creator of the creation until they are created

Continuation:
They call Kayf Kayfufyyah. (Yes everyone made fun of them)
Gods location is called: Haythuthyyah (again lol Arabonics)
He can only do what his body capacity allows him.
As for his creation; they have ability with in them.

Continuation:
He didn’t create the creation with his ability as he does not have the capacity, but rather with Kunn.
His first creation to be the creator has to be a Jism. Or else he can’t be the creator.
This Jism needs to be alive, making a rock wouldn’t work.

Continuation:
He takes children because he knows they won’t believe.
He takes a Kafir because he knows they will believe.
A messenger is a person who has a change in his nature.
Once this happens God has to send them a message.

Continuation:
A Prophet is excused from all major sins, and what requires capital punishment. But is he is not excused of anything below that!
Prophets can and do and did make mistakes in delivering the message of God.
They name mistakes of the Prophet.

Continuation:
Anyone who hears of the Prophet is required to believe, they have no right to ask for evidence, they are to believe; no questions asked.
A prophet him self is suffice evidence.
Those thay came after need to believe in the possibility of a prophet being sent.

Continuation:
They said It wouldn’t be wise for God to send one prophet until judgment say.
Muslims could have two Imams at once.
They said Faith is only verbal.
Those who take shahadah are true believers.
The hypocrites were believers.

Continuation:
They said: all of those who don’t follow the sunnah (their Sunnah obviously) will go to hell. But don’t worry; we will only be there temporarily.

Some fiqh:

In Karrami fiqh:
While traveling just make two takbeer for each prayer.
As long as you have wudu; Najasah doesn’t effect your prayer.
No intention is needed for any ‘Ibadah ever.
That’s enough for today on this topic InshaAllah.
Tomorrow we will continue.