I wonder who the audience for the book are. "loud rituals", "pouring clarified butter into flames" "pecking order" "political power".hmm.
Such rituals exist even today-political or non political, including clarified butter or not. Suffice to say nothing specific to Kings. #AKST
Wonder if the writer has seen anything abt temples of Talakadu, hundreds of years before Chalukyas.
If temporary altars are expensive & difficult undertakings even for kings, were structural and permanent temples a cheaper alternative? Need comnon sense before writing! #AKST
Book dwells on "foreign" priests. What and who is foreign? A person from Banavasi built a Chaitya at Karla, few hundereds years before this event. Now was that trader foreign? BTW, even Jaina and Buddhist traditions were "foriegn", going by the hair-splitting logic. #AKST
1. Pulikeshi I being a "petty agricultural chief" is a hypothesis,not an established fact.He might have been one as well as not. 2. Kadambas ruled not much earlier & their capital was a big trading center-So why should Malaprabha valley be "totally new to these concepts"? #AKST
Extension of the cock-and-bull stories that you find in NCERT and Karnataka textbooks. Feeding all the "agricultural produce into sacrificial flames" eh? Definitely common sense is most uncommon. #AKST
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Even those who do not "throw produce into flames" followed other rituals like sacrificing animals/birds.
But no one sacrifices all their livestock. Similarly, no one pours all agricultural produce to sacrificial flames.
But sure,the author wants you to get that idea ;-) 2/2
If it reads like some conspiracy theory, you are not mistaken.🤦♂️
This wasn't the first time such extension of spheres of influence was shown. Why did a trader from #Vaijayanti build a Chaitya at #Karla, 600 km away? Or why Ashoka put edicts at Brahmagiri, Karnataka? #AKST
Another conspiracy theory. Again, not based on facts, but on opinions ( or imaginations). Both Shiva and Vishnu temples predate Chalukyas. Is the author's primary goal seems to be to make Buddhism the most ancient? I have no idea. #AKST
#Pollock ism pefected.On on hand author says #Chalukya were agriculturalists(&hence implying they were not upper class-an assumption at best);at the same time saying they used language of intellectuals.
Q: Why would Kannada speakers listen to whatever if told in Samskrta? #AKST
How much of this is based on records? How much is conjencture?
Wow!Such length to describe bhaktas, devotees going to a festival/a jatre? "local cultivators and pastoralists gathering to participate in a community ceremony" apparently. #AKST 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Badami to Hampi is < 150km. Why whould a king fake control, when the area was under him anyway?
Throw the dreaded B and the C word.
Even before Chalukyas Brahmanas ventured into trade. BTW, when the "pastoral & agriculturist" Chalukyas could become kings, what's wrong with some Brahmanas to own land, and become traders;-) #AKST
*Setti means a merchant, by profession
Where was elitism in this? So many misconceptionsm, unfortunately. The text describes what's found in the world, imo.
While it is called अन्तःपुर, imo, it should not be translated as "Inner City". #AKST
2 things that I'd not I read in any book about Chalukyas 1) Temple by Lokamahadevi not surviving today ( But everything I read so far points to the #Virupaksha temple in #Pattadakallu being built under her sponsorship)
2)Vijaya coming from a courtesan background
.cc @hsraghav
Feeding statements are "perhaps", but result conclusive.
Did he go back in time and see temple building was a publicity stunt?
A fiction writer can be permitted to write anything, but not a 'claimed' historian. 🤦♂️ #AKST
It is fine to imagine anything if you are a fiction writer. I have great respect to K V Ayyar, Tarasu etc who have done this fabulously.
Just that one shouldn't be termed a "historian" if they are continuously in the "imagining" mode. #Chalukya#Rashtrakuta
What a pathetic way to describe temple building 🤦♂️. The whole book is filled with such negativity about temples.
The descriptions of cities in medival India are described in many inscriptions and in literary works. Why speculate? This isn't even a fiction piece. #AKST
The author has a "Tamilakam" fixation - Or a reason to show it as a "separate nation" - Who knows, he may be a RaGa fan ;-)
The point is if one refers to "South Karnataka" insted of Gangavadi then they can refer to "Tamil Nadu" imo (Current state names) #AKST
A #thread about some #myths of #languages and #scripts (of #India): 🧵(I wrote in Kannada earlier)
Every language including #Sanskrit comes in spoken form first & later in written form. Most languages are dated by the earliest time when a written record for them is found. 1/17
#Samskrta can be considered an exception, where we have record of the spoken word before we see its written form. This is because the #Vedas were preserved in a speech form for millennia before being written down. In case of other languages, this is not so. 2/17
For ex: First written record of #Kannada date to 2-3rd C CE. But this does not prove Kannada did'nt exist prior to 2nd CE. It is better to inferwriting was introduced/adapted to Kannada then. In fact we see how the script used to write Prakrit in as adapted to write Kannada 3/17
#ಭಾಷೆ , #ಲಿಪಿ ಇತ್ಯಾದಿ ಗಳಬಗ್ಗೆ ಒಂದು ಸರಳಿಃ🧵 #ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ವೊಂದೇ ಏಕೆ, ಯಾವ ಭಾಷೆಗೂ ಮೊದಲು ಲಿಪಿಯಿರಲಿಲ್ಲ(ಇರುವುದಿಲ್ಲ)-ಏಕೆಂದರೆ ಮಾತು ಮೊದಲು ಬರೆಹ ನಂತರ. #ಕನ್ನಡ ದ ಮೊದಲ ದಾಖಲೆ ಸಿಕ್ಕಿರುವುದು ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯಶಕ 2-3 ನೇ ಶತಮಾನದಲ್ಲಿ. ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಮೊದಲು ಕನ್ನಡ ಇರಲೇ ಇಲ್ಲವೆಂದು ತಿಳಿಯೋಣವೇ? ಹಾಗೆ ನಿರ್ಧರಿಸುವುದು ತಪ್ಪಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. 1/n
3 ನೇ ಶತಮಾನದಲ್ಲಿ ಬರವಣಿಗೆಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡವನ್ನು ಒಳಪಡಿಸಿದರು ಎನ್ನುವುದು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಸರಿಯಾಗಬಹುದಾದ ಊಹೆ.
ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಕ್ಕೂ ಹಾಗೇ. ಲಿಪಿಯಿಲ್ಲದ ಕಾಲ ಒಂದಿತ್ತು. ಒಂದು ಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಿ ಬರೆಹದ ಶಕ್ತಿಯನ್ನರಿತ ಮೇಲೆ ಬರೆವಣಿಗೆ ಬಂದಿತು. ಅದರ ನಂತರವೂ ಮೌಖಿಕ ಪರಂಪರೆಯೂ ಜೊತೆಗೇ ಮುಂದುವರೆಯಿತು. ಮುದ್ರಣ ಬರುವವರೆಗೆ ಇದಕ್ಕಿದ್ದ ಹೆಚ್ಚಾಯ ಅರಿತಿದ್ದೇವೆ. 2/n
ಪಾಣಿನಿಯ ಕಾಲಕ್ಕಾಗಲೆ ಲಿಪಿ ಇತ್ತು ಎಂಬುದು ನಿರ್ವಿವಾದ. ಆಸಕ್ತರು ವಾಸುದೇವ ಶರಣ ಅಗ್ರವಾಲ ಅವರ India as known to #Panini ಪುಸ್ತಕವನ್ನು ಓದಬಹುದು. ವ್ಯಾಸ ವಾಲ್ಮೀಕಿಯರು ಬರಹವನ್ನು ಪ್ರಸ್ತಾಪ ಮಾಡಿಲ್ಲ -ಅವರು ಪಾಣಿನಿಗೂ ಹಿಂದಿನವರಾದ್ದರಿಂದ ಅವರ ಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಿ ಬರವಣಿಗೆ ರೂಢಿಗೆ ಬಂದಿಲ್ಲದಿದ್ದಿರಬಹುದೆಂಬ ಊಹೆಯನ್ನು ನಾವು ಮಾಡಬಹುದು. 3/n
For those asking "What about Aryan" "What about Dravidian" languages - remember these terms were coined in 19th C.
Think of them as bags in which you organize things.
@pvaal2 Why these article writers do not see Adityas (who were not demons) and and who were named so for being sons of Aditi? Selective blindness?
@pvaal2 These statements may be okay in a "general" book but do they fit in a book talking about languages?
Anyone who has lived in an English speaking language knows English also has aspirated consonants.
A: ಅವಗ್ರಹವನ್ನು ಒಂದು ವಿಶೇಷ ಸನ್ನೆಯಾಗಿ ಬೇರೆಬೇರೆ ಭಾಷೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಬೇರೆ ಬೇರೆ ಕಾರಣಕ್ಕೆ ಬಳಸುತ್ತಾರೆ.
ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲಿ ಸಾಧಾರಣವಾಗಿ, ಇದನ್ನು ಹ್ರಸ್ವ ಸ್ವರವನ್ನು ಎಳೆದು ಹೇಳುವಾಗ *ಆದರೆ, ದೀರ್ಘಸ್ವರವನ್ನು ಪ್ರಯೋಗಿಸದೇ ಇರುವಾಗ ತೋರಿಸುತ್ತೇವೆ.
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ಎಂದರೆ, ಅಕ್ಕಽಽ ಮತ್ತು ಅಕ್ಕಾ ಇವೆರಡರ ಉಚ್ಚಾರ ಬೇರೆಬೇರೆಯಾಗಿರುತ್ತದೆ
ಇನ್ನೊಂದೆರಡು ಉದಾಹರಣೆಗಳು:
ನಾ ಬಂದಽ ನಾಕ್ ತಾಸಾಗೇಽದ ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿ
ಅದೆಷ್ಟ್ ಛಂಽದ ಅದಾಳ
ಆಡುಮಾತನ್ನು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಕರಾರುವಾಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ತೋರಿಸಲು ಈ ಬಳಕೆ ಅಷ್ಟೇ.
ಕನ್ನಡ ಲಿಪಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಕೊಂಕಣಿ ಮೊದಲಾದ ಭಾಷೆಗಳನ್ನು ಬರೆಯುವಾಗ ಕೂಡ ಇದು ಬಹಳ ಉಪಯುಕ್ತವಾಗುತ್ತೆ.
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ಇನ್ನು ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದಲ್ಲಿ ಪೂರ್ವರೂಪ ಪರರೂಪ ಸಂಧಿಗಳಾಗಿರುವುದನ್ನು ತೋರಿಸುವೆಡೆ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯವಾಗಿ ಅವಗ್ರಹ ಸನ್ನೆಯನ್ನು ಹಾಕುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಆದರೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ನಿಜವಾಗಿ ಅವಗ್ರಹ ಹಾಕಿದರೂ ಹಾಕದೇ ಇದ್ದರೂ ಉಚ್ಚಾರಣೆ ಒಂದೇ ಆಗಿರುತ್ತೆ.
ಉದಾ:पद्मनाभोऽरविन्दाक्षः ಇದರ ಉಚ್ಚಾರ पद्मनाभोरविन्दाक्ष: ಎಂದೇ.सर्वेऽपि ಇದರ ಉಚ್ಚಾರ सर्वेपि ಎಂದೇ. 3/3
Q: ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಸಂಗೀತದಲ್ಲಿ ತೆಲುಗು ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ರಚನೆಗಳಾಗಿರುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ಕಾರಣ ಏನು? ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾಕೆ ಅಷ್ಟು ಆಗಲಿಲ್ಲ?
This needs a long answer - Sharing for those interested, as there is lot of confusion about this point even among music students and pratcitioners of the art!
A: ಇದು ತುಂಬಾ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆ. ಇಂದಿನ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಸಂಗೀತದಲ್ಲಿ ನಮ್ಮ 18-19 ನೇ ಶತಮಾನದಲ್ಲಿ ಇದ್ದಂತಹ ತ್ಯಾಗರಾಜರ ಪರಂಪರೆಯ ಕೊಡುಗೆ ಅಪಾರ. ತ್ಯಾಗರಾಜರ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ರಚನೆಗಳು ತೆಲುಗು ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಇದ್ದವು. ತ್ಯಾಗರಾಗರ ಏಳ್ನೂರಕ್ಕೂ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ರಚನೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಸುಮಾರು ನೂರಕ್ಕೆ ತೊಂಬತ್ತಾದರೂ ತೆಲುಗು ರಚನೆಗಳಾಗಿದ್ದು (1/n)
ಉಳಿದವು ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿವೆ. ತ್ಯಾಗರಾಜರ ಕಾಲಾನಂತರದ ಸಂಗೀತದಲ್ಲಿ ಅವರ ಕೃತಿಗಳು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಪ್ರಚಾರಕ್ಕೆ ಬಂದವು. ತ್ಯಾಗರಾಜರು ಸುಮಾರು ಅರುವತ್ತೈದು ವರ್ಷ ಸಂಗೀತವನ್ನು ಪಾಠ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದ, ದೊಡ್ಡ ಶಿಷ್ಯಸಮೂಹವನ್ನು ಹೊಂದಿದ್ದ ವಾಗ್ಗೇಯಕಾರರು. ಇಪ್ಪತ್ತನೆ ಶತಮಾನದಲ್ಲಿ ಸಾರ್ವಜನಿಕ ಸಂಗೀತ ಕಚೇರಿಗಳ ಪದ್ಧತಿ ಬಂದಾಗ ಅವರ ರಚನೆಗಳು ಕಚೇರಿಗೆ 2/n