1/ #Thread - Hypothesis on why leanness + low carb likely to lead to high cholesterol

I originally retweeted this with a simple "yep" given how it this relates to the #LipidEnergyModel.

Many have asked me to expand, so this thread will be my simple, layperson-friendly breakdown
2/ Let's have some fun and use a relatable analogy...

Imagine you had exactly two kinds of stores in the neighborhood: bakeries and butcher shops.

You normally get groceries from both, but recently the bakeries were closed down, so now you just get meat only for meals...
3/ Now that the bakeries are down, there's more demand on the butcher shops, so they are having more inventory sent to them.

But then, the neighborhood increased while the number of butcher shops actually decreased, and this required an even higher rate of shipments to restock.
4/ To recap:

(1) Demand on butcher shops increased when bakeries shut down, now everyone was compensating by getting more meat

(2) Demand further increased as customer number expanded while total butcher shops actually dropped.
5/ Here's what we're positing:

(1) Demand for fat in someone on #keto is increased when stored glucose (glycogen) is low (bakery closed)

(2) Demand for fat trafficking further increased as lean mass increases while fat mass is reduced. (more customers, but less butcher shops)
6/ So how is fat trafficked? It's "carried" by proteins that are soluble in the bloodstream, the most famous of those being lipoproteins.

Like the butcher shop needs more frequent shipments, we posit fat cells (adipocytes) need more repletion from these lipoproteins for efflux
7/ Again, lipoproteins carry multiple lipid types, the two most prominent being the storage form of fat (triglycerides) and the other being cholesterol, of course.

Triglycerides in the bloodstream go way down when you're being fueled successfully by them...
8/ And per the #LipidEnergyModel, we believe this is due to a much higher rate of turnover. (Those shipments to the butcher shop go pretty fast now)

And given cholesterol "ride shares" with triglycerides in ApoB lipoproteins, it makes sense why we'd see higher ApoB/LDL-C/LDL-P..
9/ If you think of this as a rapid redistribution schema, it makes a lot more sense. Fat cells (adipocytes) are important for maintaining a supply of fat for other cells in their "neighborhood" (thus, local supply)....
10/ Whereas the body is responsible for making sure every adipocyte can replete enough to meet that demand (thus, global supply).

So if you're lean, it stands to reason you'd need more carrier proteins to meet that global trafficking demand.
11/ Lastly, there's definitely many technical things I didn't cover in this -- but I wanted to keep it pretty brief and (hopefully) layperson accessible.

For more, check out the #LipidEnergyModel poster 👇

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19 Jun
1/ This would be a good opportunity to clear the air on a few things...

Per @DrNadolsky's tweet, we don't know everything we want to know about #atherosclerosis. Almost everyone would agree it is multifactorial, and most of Med would ascribe the central risk driver to LDL/ApoB..
2/ If you see your LDL rise on a #keto/#lchf diet and you're uncomfortable with this, here's a thread I made for that 👇

3/ In the mean time, @DrNadolsky, @DrRagnar and I are literally in the final stages of IRB (knock on wood) to get clinical data via CitizenScienceFoundation.org <obligatory plug>

Clinical data is almost always more valuable than anecdotal data (assuming good design, reputable team)..
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16 Jun
1/ This tweet below from @DBelardoMD brought a lot of interesting conversation.

I wasn't going to weigh in, but given I'm pretty vocal on this topic already, here are some respectful additions...
2/ First, I agree glucose going up and down -- in and of itself -- is not inherently a mechanism of concern.

The key questions of interest are by how much and for how long -- and from this, can we determine if there is a dysregulation?
3/ I was listening earlier in a Clubhouse chat to @Dr__Guess discuss her recent study and how "all over the map" glucose levels were for these T2D patients -- which is unsurprising given the nature of the disease.

Read 11 tweets
13 Jun
1/ #ListeningThread — actually didn’t know this, but @BioLayne has a podcast. I actually found it in reverse as I’ve been hunting down all things Hypertrophy - and they have a recent podcast with @YngvaiMalmsteve on the topic so I’ll give it a listen… open.spotify.com/episode/2tgWUE…
2/ @BioLayne “… if you torture the data enough, you can get it to show what you would like it to show.”

This is actually a variation I was one of my favorite quotes of all time.👇
3/ it’s also very prescient in its timing. I was actually just talking with @NutritionMadeS3 yesterday, and why I tend to be more interested in studies that work off open or shared data sets given the level of transparency in the statistical instruments being used…
Read 6 tweets
12 Jun
1/ Great question -- and an important one.

The majority of things I'd "take back" have more to do with my having a simplified version of certain concepts that I now much more about (and would present as such)

But I'll be hit up on those things that are more overtly incorrect...
2/ Probably the biggest is my originally saying "Low Density Lipoprotein's primary purpose" is to deliver fat for energy. I had meant it at the time as the class opposite HDL (thus, all ApoB). Sure, a few slides later I differentiate with VLDL, IDL, and LDL...
3/ But the more appropriate way to have stated the same thing would have been: "The primary purpose of ApoB-containing lipoproteins overall is to deliver fat-based energy."

However, I don't think I'd like this statement as much either given how ApoB impacts immune other mechs...
Read 7 tweets
7 Jun
1/ Interesting thread via @ck_eternity_

I'll add some thoughts in my own thread to follow, but consider reading his entirely first.

As always, this is in the spirit of discourse. Love keeping it respectful and productive on such challenging topic. :)
2/ Before getting started, note the coming #LMHRstudy will effectively be tackling much of these common considerations quite directly as we study #LMHRs who have considerably high #LDL from being fat-adapted with otherwise #CVD healthy metrics (See CitizenScienceFoundation.org)
3/ While not commonly known, another major carrier protein for chol is Albumin. It's typically considered in light of transporting NEFAs, but its binding sites can (and are) applied to many other lipids, including cholesterol.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
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6 Jun
1/ #Keto > #LowCarb

It’s a ironic, my bloodwork looks fine when I’m either keto (less than 25 net carbs) or low carb (25-100 net carbs).

I have a lot more choices when I am low-carb and the food experience is generally more pleasurable with more treats and greater variety…
2/ But in all that time outside of when I’m eating, I just typically feel better. More balanced, better focus, and on top of all of that, I find I simply think about food a lot less. While it’s fun to anticipate a good meal, it can also be an unhelpful distraction.
3/ It’s annoying to have to identify food that is satisfying, but not *too* satisfying. Food I can enjoy but won’t actively overeat. That’s pretty much everything super low carb that isn’t highly refined (I could definitely drink way too much heavy whipping cream “fat shakes”)
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