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Hey @RACGP are your members okay with DHS turning them into snitches on patients that are welfare recipients?
"Matters that do not meet the fraud investigation selection criteria […] but may require some corrective treatment, will be
referred to the relevant business areas for appropriate intervention." #notmydebt #Robodebt
"Administrative action may include the reduction, suspension or cancellation of benefits
and also includes actions taken to recover any overpaid amounts."
Sound familiar? #notmydebt #Robodebt
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Brewing off the coast of civil society: the projected track of #robodebt. Now note the underlying cost/benefit ratio: For 1 dollar of "direct" cost (there's other costs btw), at most 4 dollars of "debt" raised (not reassessed/recovered). But let's #rewindrobodebt a sec. Thread!
As you do, I dusted off my copy of DHS' Annual Report 2013-2014, p314. Let's look at the old data-matching system, which as the Ombo says was the same method but with less automation&more info gathering from employers. Look at the cost-benefit ratio here. Confusion costs.
I'm standing here on DHS' own preferred ground. These nrs exclude costs to CLCs, AAT, social impacts. I'm firmly of the belief that if people claim their rights, if they pursue #centrelink, the economics of this programme will collapse. A frontup, wide quality check makes sense
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Yo @centrelink!
How does this happen:
You load ATO Match Data in May-2017
You send EIC reminder in Jul-2017
You raise large surprise #RoboDebt in early 2019
You don't issue AMENDMENT PAYG Summary
Compliance & myGov have no record of initial EIC letter?
#NotMyDebt #RewindRoboDebt
Could it be that:

Initial EIC letter included dodgy ATO Match Data?

This #RoboDebt was actually raised mid-2017, then recalled & later resurrected?

Fraudulent 'zombie' debt claim arises from employer duplication with substantial double-counted & averaged earnings?

#NotMyDebt
PS Could it be that:

This is just one of hundreds of thousands of dubious zombie cases that have been unpaused (rather than properly remediated), in the lead-up to #Budget2019 & #PEFO, with intent to inflate #RoboDebt figures & fudge #Surplus!? #NotMyDebt #RewindRoboDebt #AUSpol
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So, everyone has been talking about this 776 figure and how bad it is

I wanted to figure out some point of reference as to how bad it might actually be #notmydebt #Robodebt 1/
The number comes from a Department of Human Services report that you can access here: aph.gov.au/api/qon/downlo…

The specific figure is 776 deaths for people aged under 45 in a population of ~410,000 debt notices 2/
This means that the rate of death for people aged 45 or below as a proportion of the total sample is 776/410000 = 0.002 = 0.2%

But what does that MEAN? 3/
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I'll be more specific: My first job was handling Centrelink student benefit data for the Australian Education Department.

I analysed Youth Allowance (for students), Austudy and Abstudy data.

#NotMyDebt #RoboDebt #RewindRoboDebt
And I've been a Youth Allowance and Disability Support Pension (DSP) recipient.

Then Centrelink robodebt'ed me for DSP, even though I settled the debts years before. I had given them all my pay records. But they lost them.

#NotMyDebt #RoboDebt #RewindRoboDebt
Ironically, the Centrelink debts happened because the Education Department (my employer's) payroll lagged behind my Centrelink DSP reporting dates.

But the Education Department keeps pay records for a *long* time. So I got them again.

#NotMyDebt #RoboDebt #RewindRoboDebt
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I used to work in data warehousing and business intelligence. The replies where they withheld information are *very* carefully worded.

1/n

#NotMyDebt #RoboDebt #RewindRoboDebt
"The Department can not readily identify all methods of interaction"

"many of these interactions may occur … manually"

These are very weak statements. They could have provided the data they had, with a caveat about incompleteness.

#NotMyDebt #RoboDebt #RewindRoboDebt
And they couldn't say "a majority of these interactions occur manually".

Because that would be a lie.

I couldn't have a robodebt conversation in person. When I went to a Centrelink office, they told me to call the #RoboDebt team.

#NotMyDebt #RewindRoboDebt
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Answer to Estimates QoN: Deceased People.

How many people have died after being hit with a #robodebt?
And who died?

There's a lot they're not saying, but these few small tables still say a lot.

1/
#NotMyDebt
663 of the #robodebt victims who have died were or had been marked as vulnerable.
That's 32%.

It was claimed at one point that vulnerable persons were not being targeted.

2/
#NotMyDebt
While slightly more women are issued a #robodebt than men (145K : 137K), more than twice the number of men have died after receiving a robodebt.

3/
#RewindRobodebt #NotMyDebt
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And for the day that's in it, new #robodebt statistics just provided in answer to question on notice. 44,309 original debts have now been reduced. Plus a hefty waiver figure -includes instances of centrelink error, cases of extreme circumstances&uneconomic to recover
The system is now scaling up rapidly with 409,572 debts raised. That is up from 281,613 up to May 31st - so that is 120,000ish in last five months. #notmydebt
Formal reviews have also increased and there is a sizeable body of AAT caselaw which the Department will have to answer direct questions from Senate on before Feburary 20th.
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Two years ago the campaign against Robodebt was a bunch of angry Twitter users. It was @ok_lyndsey’s #NotMyDebt website, it was crowdsourced reversed engineered debt calculations, FOI and policy reading by @posty & @jpwarren. It was Facebook campaigns by @justanotheramy
This campaign was @ACOSS, @CPSUnion, @GetUp, @VicLegalAid and so many in the community services sector
It was the anonymous voices speaking up on the @not_my_debt website, the whistleblowers who published via @WilkieMP and reddit. It was the public servants who told us in 2016 about project NEIDM and how the program was broken and they couldn’t support it & we had to stop it
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#Robodebt illegality: The seven veils of failed guarantees of the rule of law? New article by Terry Carney in ⁦@AltLJjournals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.11…
"This article asks how rule of law institutions failed to ‘bell the cat’ on the illegality of Centrelink's #robodebt programme and its unethical character"
"It is unlawful because Centrelink, not the
supposed debtor, bears the legal onus of ‘proving’ the
existence and size of any debt not accepted by the sup-
posed debtor." #Robodebt
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So #centrelink phonelines, the importance of correcting errors&debt repayment have been in the headlines. Well, on cue comes an AAT decision that takes all those issues, adds in a computer fail & unproven attacks on the recipient's character: austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdo… #notmydebt
The decision relates to a FTB and Schoolkids bonus overpayment in a complex family situation. The debt at its centre was born from a computer malfunction, accepted as such by Centrelink. Just how far was the woman affected by it driven to clear her debt (and sadly, her name?)
The fact #centrelink or let's face it, Serco, make an error is not currently a defence to a debt being recoverable. The law is entirely compatible and facilitative of Centrelink's incompetence. Instead Australians have to show that the debt is "solely" attributable to the error
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