Thread by @TheKavOfficial

I'm at this Jordan Peterson/Sam Harris yoke in the Point because a mate had a spare ticket. I'm already thinking this is where jihadists go when they die...

Two MRA bell ends are handing these out.

I recycled the leaflet in front of them, laughing out loud. Real Alphas these lads.

There's a massive queue. Literally everyone is embarrassed to see anyone they recognise.

There is a queue of people here to tell some lad with a mic whom they're here to see. It's 99% Peterson. Needless to say, it's 99% white men.

There's a video of Richard Dawkins. Because of course there is.

The questions will be on Slido.com

Wouldn't it be a shame if you all asked Jordan Peterson why he's a penis?

All of you.

They're showing a video of Harris and Peterson arguing over religion. The New Atheists in the audience who have recently become Peterson fans are suffering system meltdown.

A standing ovation as they walk out. Fuck. Off.

Douglas Murray throws out the WWF cheapshot. "Hello Dublin".

No-one buys it. An eerie silence. The crowd is not here for Doug.

Sam Harris leads off the "steelman" portion of tonight's duel. He throws love to the crowd. He even says there's a lot of goodwill between him and Peterson.

Harris, asked to sum up Peterson's argument, says that Jordan thinks he's too obsessed with facts. That's like when an interviewer asks for your weakness and you say you work too hard.

Peterson says Harris wants a world without suffering. He says some kind of subordination and suffering is necessary in life.

Lads, I think Jordan Peterson is a Bond villain.

A massive Peterson head hits the screen. A thousand moans of ecstasy come from the audience.

Harris harks back to what he and Peterson were talking about over dinner.

We are watching two mates carry on a dinner conversation.

Christ.

I'm not sure what Peterson believes in, but it's either Christianity or street magic.

Or both.

If you don't believe in street magic you will be riddled with diseases. I think that's it.

Peterson asks "What's the real hell?"

Jordan, it's this. This is it.

Lads, Peterson genuinely contends that you can't act morally without religion. That's his whole argument.

How is this arse a "respected" academic.

Peterson thinks metaphysics are needed for morality. He says rational abstract morality is false. We need stories or we won't be nice.

He's a fraud.

Peterson says "let's leave aside the big man in the sky" and the New Atheists giggle...

...mere moments after he acknowledged the importance of the Holy Spirit.

YOUR EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES ON, YOU FOOLS!

Peterson trails off mid-sentence to warm applause.

Something tells me he'll get a clap no matter what he says.

The two boys are having a warm and genial debate on the nature of religion and morality.

There's a tension building in the crowd. You get the feeling a lot of lads are here to hear Peterson say something "edgy" about women, liberals and trans people.

Peterson is now sticking up for Tarot Cards.

At least I think he is.

No. Wait. He's off on a tangent. Back to facts and values and the gulf between them.

Peterson: "What does the brain do?"

Harris: "It does a lot"

A genuine exchange from tonight's battle of intellectual heavyweights.

The man who famously compared humans to lobsters now tells us we're not like sponges.

Say what you want about Peterson, his marine biology is improving.

He's now explaining to Harris which impulses in the physical brain are facts and which are values.

"You can't understand it" he says to a round of applause.

Somewhere, in the distance, @WiringTheBrain is getting a migraine.

If Douglas Murray simply defines the terms "fact" and "value", this farce ends here and now.

He doesn't, and he lets the two pals play in the chasm between their interpretations.

Harris mentions how not putting your hand on a hot stove doesn't need a moral code.

"What if it would save your child?" Peterson responds to rapturous applause.

What? What kind of situation is my child in, Jordan? I can't take this on trust.

The crux of this entire conversation, because it's not a debate, is the difference between "facts" and "values".

The argument of two men that don't speak a second language. This is a pointless exercise in undergraduate linguistic philosophy.

"Where is rationality insufficient?" asks Harris.

"Music" says Peterson, to loud applause.

I haven't a clue what he means, and frankly neither does he.

"If you're not very clever, you should be conservative. Because if you think, you'll think badly" - Jordan Peterson, Dublin 2018.

Harris makes a comparison between God and comic book superheroes.

Peterson rolls his sleeve up and gets ready to tell us that Catwoman is real, but Douglas intervenes.

Murray talks about people enrolling their kids in Christian schools. Talks about superior education.

These three have not done any research on their venue. At all.

Read the room, lads.

Harris knocks it out of the park, talking about how Christianity in education is a fallback for people without viable secular alternatives. Really judges the tone well.

Peterson wants to go back to talking about superheroes.

Peterson: "Superheroes are like a pantheon of deities. And we evolved from believing in pantheons to monotheism"

Harris: "1.2 billion Hindus"

Peterson:

Peterson is now attempting to define a "fact".

He's failing.

Peterson keeps bringing up a "subordinate hierarchy" that we apparently all subscribe to. The only reason Elvis's guitar is significant is because of our "subordinate hierarchy".

He does know "The King" was a nickname, right?

Peterson is quoting Nietzsche on stage in Dublin in the 21st Century.

The crowd goes wild. I don't think they agree with him, but there are probably enough Nazis here with Nietzsche horns to make some noise.

Murray brings up Irish blasphemy law.

Funnily enough, Peterson is the only one in breach so far, with his quip about 'evolved religion'.

Murray talks about how all three panellists have survived "tripwires" by offending people and keeping their jobs.

No mention of the impact being rich white dudes had on that. Because "rich white dude" politics isn't "identity politics" of course.

Peterson: "I am not a fan of the radical left because they insist on the grouping of people"

The man who has spent 90 minutes flying the flag for organised religion.

"I am against the radical right and the radical left. But the radical right haven't taken over all the universities, the Left has!"

Peterson drops this, and the crowd goes wild. Having, obviously never stepped inside an Irish university. Ever.

Peterson going to great lengths here to prove he's not a Nazi.

No one asked him to, like. He's just getting ahead of it.

We're back to hierarchies again. Apparently the Left has a place. It's to speak up for those that must suffer so Jordan may rise.

Murray and Peterson, grown men, "academics", both talking about a nebulous "they" who think all conservatives are Nazis.
"They" don't acknowledge the gulags.
"They" haven't read Solzhenitsyn.

Murray compares Communism to Nazism. Everyone laughs.

I think I'm becoming stupider by the moment.

Is stupider a word?

Peterson has literally said that those who want equality of outcome are the Left equivalent of Nazis.

The crowd went wild.

I'm really confused.

Harris brings up immigration. Because this shit wasn't sinister enough, apparently.

Harris, in a strange way, at least acknowledges that accident of birth is not personal responsibility. Sort of.

He oversimplifies, which is a trend for the evening.

Peterson: "Your skin is a border. Your clothes are a border. Your house is a border. You need those borders or you will die. We pay a bloody price for borders. In other people's blood."

This man isn't even clever.

I've been here for two hours and twenty minutes. The hum of body odour is fucking transcendental.

"Empathy must be carefully tempered by other virtues" says Peterson, and a thousand new edgy tattoos are born.

"You could give one person a thousand dollars and help them. But that wouldn't help a million people, so it's no good."

Jordan Peterson doesn't understand the difference between personal charity and state foreign aid.

"Imagine that you're naive" says Peterson to an audience that paid €50-60 to hear him speak.

Not going to be an issue here, Jordo.

Back at hierarchies again.

Either Jordan Peterson only has one theory, or he's a submissive desperately looking to be dominated.

I think we've skipped the Q&A.

That's actually a relief.

Another fucking standing ovation. Fuck off.

Holy shit. A LOT of white boys here are angry there was no Q and A.

Haha

That's it from me folks. Kiss your families. Be nice to each other. Don't end up a bitter man like Jordo.