Why do I get to hear people talking about "programming" that obviously don't know about "programming".
OH: "I like programming, but I don't like all the other bits that people do, like looking after stuff when it goes live"
One older person is giving advice to a younger person, and it's all fine, but there are some proper facepalm moments.
This is interesting.
Younger guy is "I want to make lots of money"