I’m concerned about the growing tendency in some circles to equate #LongCovid with #MEcfs. I think this is bad for both #Longhaulers and ppl living with ME/CFS. A thread. 👇
2. Before I start, let me be clear this is not a swipe at the #MEcfs community which has been hugely supportive of #Longhaulers, sharing tips & resources & lots of moral support. I am very grateful for that support.
3. Nor is this to deny the reality that some #Longhaulers have developed or are on track to develop #MEcfs. We know from the first SARS that this could end up being a significant number of #COVID patients.
4. But if #LongCovid and #MEcfs were in a Venn diagram, they would be overlapping circles, not a single circle. That’s important for a few reasons, but first let’s look at the evidence to support different circles.
5. First of all, #LongCovid is quite heterogenous. We still don’t know if there is one explanation or if includes a number of different conditions. The symptoms are incredibly diverse, including every part of the body.
6. #LongCovid seems to encompass both damage to organs caused by the virus, onset of new conditions (including diabetes, thyroid problems and dysautonomia), activation of latent viruses in the body, and persistent COVID symptoms.
7. There are some unifying theories that might explain all of the diverse symptoms, including the bradykinin theory & the mast cell activation theory, but these have yet to be proven, & until then, we can’t be sure #LongCovid is one thing.
8. Second, some of the most common symptoms that #Longhaulers complain of are not usually symptoms of #MEcfs, including shortness of breath, chest pain, & skin rashes.
9. My 7-year-olds who had chest pain & cough for months do not have #MEcfs. People dealing with dropping pulse ox rates, recurrent cold symptoms, or (like me) weird rashes probably don’t have ME/CFS.
10. While other common symptoms of #LongCovid do overlap with common #MEcfs symptoms, that doesn’t necessarily mean that a) all #Longhaulers experience these symptoms, b) that the nature of the symptoms is the same for both illnesses,
11. or c) that the explanation for the common symptoms is #MEcfs and not one of the common co-diagnoses of ME/CFS patients, such as dysautonomia or Mast Cell Activation Syndrome.
12. Take fatigue for instance. The experience of fatigue can really vary. Fatigue is a big issue for some #Longhaulers, but not for others. Still others (like me) had a period of extreme fatigue but have recovered from it even as other symptoms continue. #LongCovid≠Fatigue.
13. Furthermore, some people who have or have had #MEcfs who have also had #LongCovid have said that the fatigue of #LongCovid felt different. This includes both my husband (who’s had ME for 15 yrs) and @JenBrea.
14. Third, there seems to be some tendency to equate all post-viral conditions (#LongCovid, post-Lyme, etc.) with #MEcfs. But that significantly diminishes the reality of life with ME/CFS. ME/CFS isn’t just “post-viral fatigue”: it has its own set of diagnostic criteria.
15. The Canadian Consensus Criteria require a patient to have fatigue, post-exertional malaise, pain, neurological symptoms, AND symptoms from two of the following three clusters: autoimmune, neuroendocrine, or immune. me-pedia.org/wiki/Canadian_…
16. And post-exertional malaise doesn’t just mean “gets tired after exercise.” It means a worsening of symptoms, including symptoms not related to the activity, that often sets in 12-24 hours AFTER the activity and takes a very long time to recover from.
17. Again, SOME #LongCovid patients meet these criteria and are probably headed for a diagnosis of #MEcfs. But that is far from all #Longhaulers and without significant attempts to count, categorize and study #LongCovid, we can’t know how many. #CountLongCovid
18. So why does this matter? For #Longhaulers, the labelling of all #LongCovid symptoms as #MEcfs means that symptoms and medical issues that could be medically treated instead get dismissed as untreatable because “there is no cure for ME/CFS.”
19. For instance, one of the specialists I was referred to told me within minutes of meeting me that he thought all #LongCovid was #MEcfs even though my remaining symptoms – blisters & chest pain – don’t even remotely resemble ME/CFS.
20. (He also told me that the only treatments for #MEcfs were graded exercise therapy and cognitive behavioural therapy which was the moment I gave up on him.)
21. If the bradykinin or mast cell theories turn out to be true, there are medications to treat both conditions. If dysautonomia appears to explain most #LongCovid symptoms, there are medications, therapies and treatment protocols to follow.
22. If #LongCovid turns out to be multiple conditions, it means we are that much further behind in teasing them out, studying them, and developing therapies and treatment protocols.
23. In short, if all #LongCovid is labelled as #MEcfs, that becomes an excuse for doctors and researchers to dismiss #Longhaulers in the way that people living with ME/CFS have been ignored and dismissed for decades.
24. But there is also a very real danger for people living with #MEcfs here and it’s one that we’ve seen play out before to very damaging results. If research studies are carried out that include ppl who do not actually have ME/CFS,
25. The results may not actually reveal anything about #MEcfs but may be imposed on people living with ME/CFS regardless. It’s the graded exercise therapy study all over again.
26. In conclusion, both #LongCovid and #MEcfs patients deserve research, study, medical care, therapy, and treatments. Research into one condition may turn out to help patients with the other. But please stop equating them.

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21 Sep
1. This is a thread for my fellow #Longhaulers who are about to lose access to the #CERB on Saturday. I know some are quite worried about financial supports so this is a look at your options. As you'll see, it's quite a dog's breakfast. #COVID19 #LongCOVID #ApresJ180 #cdnpoli
2. The first stop is Employment Insurance Sickness Benefits. #EI eligibility was frozen in March, so if you were employed or self-employed but paying premiums and had accumulated enough hours for eligibility, you will now transition to EI sickness benefits.
3. It's not clear yet whether a medical note will be required if your illness is due to COVID-19. If it is, it can be signed by a doctor, psychologist, or chiropractor. You do not need a diagnosis to get a note (although you do need a sympathetic health care provider).
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Update Day 184: The Six Monthiversary of my onset of symptoms.

I'm happy to report that three of us are asymptomatic and Kid 3's cough is so sporadic that she's nearly asymptomatic.

#COVID19 #Longhaulers #LongCovid #ApresJ180 #CovidandKids
I will probably use asymptomatic for a long while rather than recovered, because as we've seen before, being symptom-free now doesn't mean they won't come back. I also remain paranoid about things like rashes & hugely swollen bug bites, although there's no reason to believe...
they're related to Covid. It will just take a while for the anxiety reflex to go away.

As for me, I'm having a really good week, including lengthy periods of the day where I have no symptoms at all and others where my only symptom is tinnitus.
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Journalists frequently ask me if my family is pursuing antibody testing to prove we had COVID. Draw up a chair and let me tell you why that question is so problematic.
#Longhaulers #LongCOVID #ApresJ150 #CovidAntibodies
2. A negative antibody test doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t have antibodies and it certainly doesn't mean you didn't have COVID. First of all, the accuracy of C19 antibody tests has been questioned by the CDC and others. Some C19 antibody tests have a high false negative rate.
3. For instance, some of the tests authorized by the FDA have a sensitivity rate under 90% - which means if 100 ppl are tested, 10 or more will be told they don’t have antibodies when they actually do. And that’s the rate reported by the manufacturer, not the rate in actual use.
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I spoke to @maywarren11 of the @TorontoStar about the need for better research and care for Cdn #Longhaulers. One of the most fascinating nuggets in this piece is the difficulty that the CANCOV study has had finding participants:
thestar.com/news/canada/20…
I'm part of three different forums with Cdn #Longhaulers, two of which have thousands of members. We all shared the information on the study as soon as we learned of it - and then we all shared the massive disappointment of discovering we could not participate.
Canada's massive screwup on testing back in the early days of the pandemic is still having an effect now on patients' ability to access medical care, sick leave and disability supports, and now its delaying the research into our condition.
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13 Aug
Update Day 150 (!!!!): This one's a bit of a mixed bag. Let me start with the good news. My husband and Kid 2 are asymptomatic and have been for a couple of weeks. Kid 2's energy is back and then some.
#COVID19 #CovidLonghaul #LongHauler #ApresJ120 #CovidandKids
Kid 1's only symptom is a swollen lymph node in her chest that has been stubbornly hanging on for weeks now. We took her to the osteo yesterday and by working on her neck and shoulder, the osteo managed to bring it down in size, but the bump still bothering Kid 1.
Kid 3 got a steroid inhaler four weeks ago. After a week of using it, she had 8 blissful cough-free days. Then the cough came back. We now seem to be in a holding pattern, with 2-3 days of coughing, followed by 2-3 days without. Still waiting on the respirologist.
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It's important that the conversation about re-opening schools and the plan to do so be based on actual facts, not magical thinking. The reality is that kids CAN get sick; kids DO get sick; and some kids get SERIOUSLY sick or remain sick for a LONG TIME. ctvnews.ca/health/parents…
In that respect, the comments of Dr. Anna Banerji in this article are deeply disappointing, verging on irresponsible. She says cases of kids with chronic symptoms are extremely rare. How does she know? What data is she pointing to? What surveys or tests have been done?
I remember back at the beginning of July when I did a radio interview & the doc who followed me on air also said that the vast majority of ppl who got COVID-19 recover in two weeks or less and that this issue of chronic symptoms was not really an issue.
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