Thread by @MSS3RosaFerreum

@MichaelGLFlood Did you fact check this, @MichaelGLFlood? The article states "let's get one thing straight: men, as a group, do not face systematic oppression because of their gender," but this disagrees with research done by Law Profesor Sonja B. Starr regarding men in the criminal courts.

@MichaelGLFlood Consider Law Professor Sonja B. Starr's "Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases," University of Michigan Law and Economics Research Paper, No. 12-018 (August 29, 2012) (available at papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf…).

@MichaelGLFlood "This study finds dramatic unexplained gender gaps in federal criminal cases. Conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables, men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do." Research Paper 12-018, p. 17.

@MichaelGLFlood "Prosecutors and/or judges seem to use their discretion to accommodate family circumstances in sub rosa ways—but not for male defendants." Research Paper 12-018, pp. 14–15.

@MichaelGLFlood "Among single men, conditional on observables, having children significantly increases sentences, and among married men, children make no significant difference." Research Paper 12-018, p. 15.

@MichaelGLFlood "However, if family hardship is a legitimate consideration, one might expect it to play at least some role in men’s cases as well." Research Paper 12-018, p. 15.

@MichaelGLFlood "Numerous studies have suggested that paternal incarceration harms children even when the father was already a noncustodial parent…." Research Paper 12-018, p. 15.

@MichaelGLFlood Nevertheless, "[w]omen are … significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. " Research Paper 12-018, p. 17.

@MichaelGLFlood "Policymakers might simply be untroubled by [judicial] leniency toward women." Research Paper 12-018, p. 17.

@MichaelGLFlood Here is an illustration of the data Sonja B. Starr collected. This shows that women get shorter sentences typically. If we are going to say that sentences reflect a gendered privilege, it would appear that it reflects a female privilege and not a male one.

@MichaelGLFlood Having the whole criminal court system (including both the prosecution and judges) demonstrably systematically punishing men as a group more than women under similar circumstances would seem to be systematically oppressing men, as a group, because of their gender. No?

@MichaelGLFlood Since you feel that folks advocating against disparate criminal court practices are garbage, Dr. @MichaelGLFlood, you must hold the view that men should be given greater punishments due to their gender and women shouldn't be charged with crimes they commit due to their gender.

@MichaelGLFlood Note, since I know you have demonstrable difficulty with contextual reading, Dr. @MichaelGLFlood, none of these disparities are feminists' fault, but folks (like yourself and feminists) are getting in the way of resolving them by pretending nothing is wrong.

@MichaelGLFlood The article goes on the mention the "Don't Be That Girl" campaign. I guess we need to retread what the legal situation is in Canada to explain the problem here. For a purported "[r]esearcher on men, masculinities, gender, and violence prevention" you seem to know little about it.

@MichaelGLFlood The article @MichaelGLFlood presented above states that MRAs started "the Don't Be That Girl campaign… that accuses women of making false rape reports." False reports are made regarding every crime. However, in Canada, proving one is innocent of rape has become problematic.

@MichaelGLFlood Because Canada has moved to an "affirmative consent" standard, it important for the innocent accused to demonstrate that the innocent accused, in fact, got consent to each and every sex act that was performed on the accuser.

@MichaelGLFlood To avoid sex from being portrayed as rape, one might think to record each and every instance of consent (since one has to keep getting consent over and over again as consent is not assumed).

Let's see how Canadian law addresses that.

@MichaelGLFlood Canadian Criminal Code § 273.2(b): "the accused believed that the complainant consented to the activity…, where … the accused did not take reasonable steps, in the circumstances known to the accused at the time, to ascertain that the complainant was consenting."

@MichaelGLFlood Canadian Criminal Code § 273.2(c): "the accused believed that the complainant consented to the activity…, where … there is no evidence that the complainant’s voluntary agreement to the activity was affirmatively expressed by words or actively expressed by conduct."

@MichaelGLFlood Bill C-51 altered the Criminal Code as follows:

Canadian Criminal Code § 276(2): "…evidence shall not be adduced by or on behalf of the accused that the complainant has engaged in sexual activity other than the sexual activity that forms the subject-matter of the charge…."

@MichaelGLFlood Bill C-51 further altered the Criminal Code as follows:

Canadian Criminal Code § 276(4): "…sexual activity includes any communication made for a sexual purpose or whose content is of a sexual nature."

@MichaelGLFlood If you record consent, each consent recording constitutes a separate sex act different from the sex act that is charged as a sexual assault (read: rape). Thus, each such consent recording requires special permission to be admitted. This made innocence harder to prove in Canada.

@MichaelGLFlood When one needs to prove that one sought and got affirmative consent by law in order to show that the sex one engaged in wasn't rape, but the evidence of that consent also can be excluded as a matter of law, I, too, would be concerned with the possibility of any false accusations.

@MichaelGLFlood In such a legal climate where one might reasonably fear that one would be legally forbidden from demonstrating one's innocence, it's entirely reasonable to campaign for women to not falsely accuse men of rape (even if such false accusations were rare since there isn't a remedy).

@MichaelGLFlood Men's Rights Edmonton in Canada took the entirely reasonable action of encouraging women to not falsely accuse men of rape (using the same visual style that feminists used to encourage men not to rape). If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

@MichaelGLFlood The only reason can think of that @MichaelGLFlood
would offer this article as evidence that MRAs are a problem for society is that @MichaelGLFlood is perfectly okay with sending innocent men to prison as sexual offenders with no defense. (This is the second time he's done this.)

@MichaelGLFlood I'm presuming, of course, that @MichaelGLFlood has the academic skills commensurate with the (research) doctorate he purports to hold. Perhaps the error is mine to expect such professional competence from him (e.g., checking the primary sources upon which a cited paper is based).

@MichaelGLFlood The article that Dr. @MichaelGLFlood presents further states the "problem with the Men's Rights Movement is that they are not doing anything concrete to resolve… the… issues."

So awareness campaigns are doing nothing. So the main form of feminist activism is pointless?

@MichaelGLFlood @MichaelGLFlood's presented article states "fairness and equality involve[s] promoting the empowerment of women, [not] …the empowerment of both genders in equal amounts." I guess promoting equal treatment before the law and protecting innocent men is misogyny to @MichaelGLFlood.

@MichaelGLFlood For those following along, the relevant part of Canada's Criminal Code (with Bill C-51 already incorporated) can be found here:
laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/

@MichaelGLFlood For those following along, the relevant part of Canada's Criminal Code (with Bill C-51 already incorporated) can be found here:
laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/

@MichaelGLFlood For those following along, the relevant part of Canada's Criminal Code (with Bill C-51 already incorporated) can be found here:
laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/

@MichaelGLFlood For those following along, the relevant part of Canada's Criminal Code (with Bill C-51 already incorporated) can be found here:
laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/

@MichaelGLFlood For those following along, the relevant part of Canada's Criminal Code (with Bill C-51 already incorporated) can be found here:
laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/

@MichaelGLFlood @threadreaderapp please unroll.

@MichaelGLFlood FOOTNOTE: Men's Rights Activists that I have seen (e.g., @HoneyBadgerBite) do not like to frame the issue in the language of oppression, but rather as a problem to be solved. They object to the "oppression olympics" as I have heard it called.