2/19 rte.ie/radio1/today-w… NO'B stated #Antigen tests are 50~60% sensitive at most in asymptomatics & only recommended by HSE in symptomatic patients such as in outbreaks or hospital settings. Its v disappointing that a health official with such a huge audience would say this.
3/19 Saying #Antigen has "low sensitivity" is nuanced & deserves context.We know when compared to pos #PCR cases,antigen has "low" sensitivity.We also know up to 75% of time a #Covid19 patient is tested with PCR and pos they're NOT INFECTIOUS bmj.com/content/372/bm…@profbuchan
4/19 If we're looking (screening) in an asymptomatic/pre symptomatic population for INFECTIOUS #Covid19 patients, comparing sensitivity of #Antigen to #PCR when non-infectious PCR positives are included, is a null comparison. @NiamhOBeirne said PCR is "Gold Standard" but is it?
5/19 If setting is clinical & patient is unwell then #PCR is an excellent test with exquisite sensitivity for viral presence.If its a public health setting where we're SCREENING seemingly well patients to find unknown pockets of disease we want to know who is infectious RIGHT NOW
8/19 That criticism didnt account for fact that Ct values across labs arent standardised, so the viral load of ~>100k RNA copies/ml required for + viral culture (an analogue for infectiousness) which often tallies with Ct<30-33 was in fact more like Ct<21 in the Liverpool pilot.
9/19 Concerns re narrow window at beginning of infectious period when #Antigen can miss an infectious patient are resolved with frequent testing (x2/week) where antigen approaches 100% sensitivity, in a population who would otherwise not be tested at all
10/19 @NiamhOBeirne also said (potentially false) negative #Antigen result could prompt people to "do things they would otherwise not have done" suggesting it could lead to false sense of security & risky behaviour - a claim also made by @LeoVaradkar here
11/19 There's no strong evidence to support inappropriate behaviour theory as an ongoing concern.Liverpool pilot showed a neg #Antigen test resulted in no behaviour change in >60% & <9% showed any intention of behaviour at odds with public health advice liverpool.ac.uk/media/livacuk/…
13/19 @TodaywithClaire suggested to @NiamhOBeirne that #Antigen was not a Panacea, and the reply was that antigen is "not the way forward" and that #PCR is what "scientists & medics would prefer". I respectfully suggest that we clarify what we are looking for & be clear and fair.
14/19 Meanwhile, Irelands private sector are screening asymptomatics with #Antigen testing to good effect, yet our authorities prefer to pretend this isnt happening & so far refuse to engage or help with supply; financial incentives or regulation @Paschaldthesun.ie/news/6527653/x…
15/19 Finally the issue of training was raised. Valid concerns exist about sensitivity of #Antigen when used by lay people. The Porton Down UK National Evaluation showed experience & training confer higher sensitivity. medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
16/19 But studies have shown adequate sensitivity is possible if lay people are trained to self test. We must expect that good info, familiarity & repetition with #Antigen would result in fluency & effectiveness similar to that of the home pregnancy test if rolled out nationally.
18/19 Authorities #NPHET are missing point of #Antigen testing & its potential to EMPOWER our people in #Ireland.Vaccine will help but variants will be there & may hamper their effectiveness - we need to be ready if the goalposts move AGAIN.We've earned the right to be ambitious.
19/19 As some very learned people said: "Its wrong not to test...In the midst of a raging plague, it is inequitable and unethical not to deploy high quality rapid tests alongside existing public health interventions" thelancet.com/journals/eclin…
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#antigen testing again falsely discredited - this time by @GabrielScally on @cooper_m@TonightVMTV saying that it has “no particularly useful function” and is “positively dangerous”. Here he repeats the erroneous assertions of @deeksj in his now discredited @bmj paper
Dr. Scally asserts that #antigen testing could give “false reassurance” & it “may not pick up more than 50% of + cases”. This is a direct contradiction of the #redlight policy operating in Liverpool where >14k hitherto unidentified cases were discovered in >500k #antigen tests
1/13 Really interesting read Rory. Thx for sharing. I agree, its v difficult to remain clear headed when theres so much data & it can all be interpreted in different ways. Prof. @AndrewEwing11 is unhappy with #Sweden's strategy and has been openly critical - he's entitled to that
2/13 I think that data is being represented in a way that suits the narrative.I added extra columns:"since Aug 7" & "since Sept 7".I used Oct 14 as end point (date of publication).I also highlighted Netherlands in red as it was best performing in the table and good for comparison
3/13 In Sweden from Aug to Oct there was a 3% increase in cumulative deaths per 100k and from Sept to Oct there was a 1% increase. Meanwhile, Netherlands (best of the worst) had 8% & 6% increases in cumulative deaths per 100k respectively.
2/11 If Ct is low (lots of virus) then patient was shedding lots of virus & was infectious; if Ct is high (not much virus) then patient likely to be at end of infection or infected in the past and/or no longer infectious.
3/11 PCR results are quantitative and not only tell us if test is positive or negative, but also tell us HOW positive or negative.@michaelmina_lab: “We have to stop thinking of people as positive or negative, and ask how positive?” sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/o…