Thread by @Scientific_Bird

1/n I got into a little feud with @kate_manne the last few days. There has been some praise of what I've said, but there has been a fair bit of criticism of me from her side. Totally fair, to be expected. I just want to respond to this—once. After this I won't bother her anymore.

2/n Critics say that I totally misrepresented her HIMpathy term. She was ONLY claiming that it was certain privileged boys, College superstars and-the-like, say Brock Turner, who got this privilege.

First, why does she call it a gendered term, HIMpathy?

3/n Does she have evidence that these privileged boys get exhonerated because of their gender? It seems totally plausible to me that a privileged woman would get EVEN more sympathy. Can't prove that this is true, but she provides no evidence of gender being the important factor.

4/n Second: nah. She didn't just use it for that.

In my first tweet where I challenged her, she links the following (see image): study that purports to show that female pain is taken less seriously in medical situations.

5/n Now I wonder... Why would she, as her first major piece of evidence in favor of HIMpathy, link to a study regarding assessment of pain in medical situations? Why would she link something that has "NOTHING" to do with her hypothesis? 🤔

Very strange...

6/n Next tweet. I respond that I don't find that particularly convincing. She asks me for contravening evidence (hence my original thread). She also links a thread that supposedly provides a wealth of evidence in favor of HIMpathy hypothesis. We will get back to that later...

7/n Before creating my thread, I link one study. This is the study by Tania Reynolds (@TaniaArline) et al. It is the one where they ask individuals their responses to certain scenarios. Provides evidence that people care less about male suffering in general scenarios.

8/n This study is NOT about Brock Turner-esque dudes. It's a study about average people. She responds that it's the only study she knows that is contradictory to her hypothesis

Now I wonder... Why would this finding be contradictory to her hypothesis? It's just ordinary ppl!🤔

9/n I also ask for the link to the study she originally linked as her first major piece of evidence (medical pain assessment). She graciously accepts my request and gives the link. I like her tweet like a true gentleman.

The story continues...

10/n Back to the thread. Supposedly brings a "wealth" of evidence in favor of HIMpathy. Let's see. What is the FIRST major piece of evidence?

You can't see in image, but it's a link to a study about gender bias in pain assessment in medical situations:
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf…

11/n Why would she as her first major piece of evidence point to something that has "NOTHING" to do with her hypothesis. Very strange indeed 🤔

12/n Well... She has said that there is a wealth of evidence, so let's go on in the thread. What's next?

ANOTHER study about gender bias in pain assessment in medical situations.

This is getting really weird!! Why does she link to studies that has NOTHING to do with HIMpathy?!

13/n Getting frustrating. Let's go on.

What is that? Yet AGAIN a study about gender bias in pain assessments in medical situations!

Why does she link studies that have nothing to do with HIMpathy?! 🤔

14/n Let's go on in the thread.

Now what is this?! A study about doctors not taking vaginal pain seriously!

I definitely do have sympathy for those women, but why is she bringing up things that have NOTHING to do with HIMpathy? 🤔

15/n Keep going.

What do we have next? "Pain bias: The health inequality rarely discussed"

This is awful for these women, but Kate, please stop linking things that have NOTHING to do with HIMpathy. You said this thread would provide a WEALTH of evidence in favor of HIMpathy!

16/n Next post in the thread. She links to a post about Brett Kavanaugh.

THANK YOU, Kate! You linked something that is on-topic. Now... It is only only a sample size of 1, but that is better than zero, right?

Next thing I wonder is if Innocent Until Proven Guilty is HIMpathy.

17/n Ah, I'm feeling a bit better now. I assume that everything will be relevant from now on. Let's go on.

An article about ship disasters? "Women and children first" is a "myth"?

Why would she bring up something that has nothing to do with HIMpathy? 🤔

18/n She provides one more piece of evidence in the thread that was filled with a "wealth" of evidence in favor of HIMpathy. Let's see what it is.

An article about gender bias in medical assessment of pain?! Argh, Kate, why bring up this that has nothing to do with HIMpathy?!

19/n So let's summarize the thread that supposedly gave a "wealth" of evidence in favor of HIMpathy.

6 posts about gender bias in pain assessment
1 post about "Women and children first" being a supposed myth
1 post about Brett Kavanaugh

20/n So get this. Her major thread that presented a "wealth" of evidence in favor of HIMpathy had 7 posts that had "NOTHING" do with HIMpathy, and 1 post that had.

The evidence literally consists of a case of a single individual. Sample size of one. Uno.

21/n OK. Let's get back to the point. Of course, she wasn't only talking about Brett Kavanaugh types. She was trying to make a broader point.

So why is she and everyone of her fans saying that she was ONLY talking about Dudebros like Brock Turner? Is she dishonest? Yes.. but..

22/n She is pulling what is known as the Motte and Bailey rhetorical strategy.

She presents a more extreme position. Then when I challenge her, and show that she is clearly wrong, she retreats and innocently says "Oh, I was only talking X!"

heterodoxacademy.org/the-motte-and-…

23/n I was considering answering her more specific point. But I don't care anymore. I don't view her anymore as arguing in good faith.

If she publicly admits that people, in general, show more sympathy towards women, then I will respond to her more specific point.

24/n Also, for those people who want to me to read her book. Nah, I responded to her thread that purported to show a "wealth" of evidence in favor of HIMpathy.

Now I say au revoir. Thanks for reading.

THREAD DONE.

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