Thread by @sillymickel

This thread is

Chapter 53, titled,

“Diminution & Expulsion at the Third Trimester:”

of *Dance of the Seven Veils II:

*Prenatal/Perinatal Psychology, Mythology, & Your Divine Self*

*Infant to Prenate, Veils Four-Six*

by Michael Adzema

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D7V2 53/1

[D7V2] Which is Vol 3 in The Path of Ecstasy Series*

Ch 53 is subtitled,

“The Why & Way of Mind,or Ego, Separating fr Universal Consciousness…

“Ejection fr “Eden” Happens to Everyone During Fetal Malnutrition: Suffering Builds a Character”

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D7V2 53/2

“[*Quotes/highlights:*] “In such manner...are the patterns of ego & ‘mind’ separated & severed from underlying & forgotten (but not unfelt) patterns of archetypal, karmic, psychic, & universal Self existing as body.” []

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D7V2 53/3

[] “The newly emergent conceptual bank is ripe for the impressions of society & culture.” []

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D7V2 53/4

“[*Chapter 53 text begins:*] “The first fall from grace in coming into Form for all of us involves the events around conception...our peri-conceptional events. Before Form we were No-Form...formless.”

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D7V2 53/5

“We existed, for we are immortal. But without form. You might say our existence lie in the No-Form State. In coming into Form, we fall from grace...each of us, just as Lucifer (who is a metaphor for us) did.”

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D7V2 53/6

“It is not that we made a mistake in doing that. We are essentially Divine, so there are no errors. It is only our early Pain, especially our prenatal & perinatal pain,that causes us to make what is perfect into something that is wrong or bad.”

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D7V2 53/7

“Indeed, this chapter will help to explain how we do that in regards to death...in creating death at all, since we are immortal.”

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D7V2 53/8

“This coming into Form from No-From & this first fall from grace is explained in detail in the forthcoming volume in *Dance of the Seven Veils*.”

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D7V2 53/9

“That is the third volume, which is subtitled,*Peri-Conceptional/Transpersonal Psychology, Mythology, & Your Original Face...Cellular to Soulular*.”

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D7V2 53/10

“Coming from No-Form into Form existence is related to what Ken Wilber (1977) has called the *primary dualism*. In this we create matter & non-matter.”

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D7V2 53/11

“Yet time is not created. Our existence in the womb, as in the No-Form State, is timeless. There is no past & future. This is where we get our ideas of an Eternal Now.”

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D7V2 53/12

“Then something happens. We create time in the course of our perinatal experiences, beginning during our travails when we are still in the womb during the third trimester when things have started to get rough.”

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D7V2 53/13

“*The Secondary Dualism—The Beginnings of Diminishing Divinity & of Our Becoming Just an Idea*”

“Ontogenetically, it follows then, the second fall is birth..."

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D7V2 53/14

"...[the second fall is birth] & correlates with Ken Wilber’s *secondary dualism*, which he relates to the creation of time. As Wilber (1977) puts it, “the *why* of time’s genesis...it is nothing other than man’s *avoidance of death*.””

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D7V2 53/15

“Wilber continues as follows, quoting Benoit (1955): “It is with the arising of the Existential Level that there occurs the infamous debate of ‘to be or not to be’; because at the moment man severs his organism from his environment, then,...”

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D7V2 53/16

“”Suddenly he becomes conscious that his principle is not the principle of the universe, that there are things that exist independently of him, he becomes conscious of it in suffering from contact with the world-obstacle.””

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D7V2 53/17

“At this moment appears conscious fear of death, of the danger which the Not-Self represents for the Self.”

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D7V2 53/18

“*The Creation of Death in Encounter with the World-Obstacle*

“We see that fear of death arises out of suffering from contact with the “world-obstacle.””

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D7V2 53/19

“The metaphorical reflections of this, biologically, are the fetus’s encounter with suffering in the later stages of pregnancy.”

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D7V2 53/20

“The fetus encounters the “world-obstacle,” the uterus, with the confinedness in the womb & its attendant suffering increasing daily & hourly.”

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D7V2 53/21

“The fetus becomes even more conscious of this obstacle—& more identified with its physical form—in reaction to the Energy eruption from frustration.”

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D7V2 53/22

“*The Wall: The creation of pain, time, & death occurs with the encounter w the “World-Obstacle.”*

“So it is here, farther along in the gestation process, that we feel the separation (from Divinity) w the encounter w the wall of the uterus.”

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D7V2 53/23

“People use that metaphor: “I hit the wall.” In other words, “I’ve reached my limit.” This hearkens back to that time in the womb.”

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D7V2 53/24

“S. Giora Shoham (1990) writes, “In the midst of his omnipresent egocentricity, he experiences disastrously hostile surroundings””

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D7V2 53/25

“Though Shoham likens this to the “expulsion” phase of birth, this experience actually begins a little earlier, during the BPM II phase of birth—that is, in the late stages of pregnancy prior to the onset of labor.”

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D7V2 53/26

“Let me clarify this. With the primary split, what I am calling *Veil Seven*, occurring with the creation of sperm & egg from no-thing-ness, one’s intention can be different from the intention of Other.”

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D7V2 53/27

“Indeed, one perspective on this is that a difference in intention *causes* the creation of sperm & egg. That is to say, the foundation of the world is wrought of an initial rebellion from God.”

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D7V2 53/28

“& with this we can compare the myth of Lucifer, which explains why, as I have put it, Lucifer represents everyperson.

“Or as I view it, which I believe is the less “tainted” of the two perspectives & thus more likely to be true,..”

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D7V2 53/29

“…the creation of the world begins out of Divinity’s intention to expand Experience through a process of forgetting, which makes additional experience possible. Or, more succinctly, God “just wants to have fun.””

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D7V2 53/30

“Regardless, up until this point in the developments prior to birth, these two intentions have rarely been at odds: The self’s intentions to grow & to expand have been nurtured & aided, in a wonderfully synchronistic way, by the Other—”

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D7V2 53/31

“—in this case, specifically, by the environment of the mother’s body.”

“Toward the end of pregnancy, however, the organism’s intentions to grow & expand are contrary to the environment’s intentions to resist its further growth in response.”

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D7V2 53/32

“By this I mean simply that there are limits to the elasticity of the womb & the mother’s body, which result in its becoming an increasing & contrary factor, creating pressure & “weighing in” as a force against the fetus’s growth.”

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D7V2 53/33

“To the fetus, however, with the possibility of a different perspective—a “bi-focal” world arising with the primary split—it is as if the environment has “turned against” or “betrayed” it.”

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D7V2 53/34

“At any rate, this friction of opposing intentions (or perspectives) is Energy,just raw Energy until it is labeled. As Wilber put it: “As an e.g. of this entire movement, let us again use the mobilization of anger,as when a person strikes me.”

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D7V2 53/35

“The actual strike itself, in its simplest form, is just a movement of the universe, but as the primary dualism starts to occur, I sense a mobilization of energy arising within me.”

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D7V2 53/36

“At this stage—before the primary dualism hardens—this energy is still pure, informal, intemporal….””

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D7V2 53/37

“*The Creation of Pleasure & Pain*

“In our example, of course, it is not someone striking the fetus. It is something—felt at times as someone—opposing the fetus’s uninhibited growth.”

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D7V2 53/38

“The pattern is the same, however, in that “in its simplest form” the actual blocking of the fetus’s free movement “is just a movement of the universe.”

“However, then the prenate does what indeed we all did.”

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D7V2 53/39

“Since we were not “wholly” enough to accept this pure energy as simply *our* energy, our Divinity—this is a consequence of the primary split in the creation of Form out of No-Formness, or Veil 7, coming about at conception—”

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D7V2 53/40

“[Since we were not “wholly” enough to accept this pure energy as simply *our* energy, our Divinity—] we make it “wrong,” we “label” it pain.”

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D7V2 53/41

“This, of course, is not conceptual labeling here since concepts do not exist as yet. Rather, it is pure, organismic avoidance/rejection...a kind of cosmic mistrust of the events that are occurring.”

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D7V2 53/42

“We re-create this in later life every time we turn away from the discomforts & challenges of life instead of facing & embracing & learning the lessons for which these unwanted events have come to enlighten us.”

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D7V2 53/43

“Therefore, out of the original creation of self & Other or organism & environment—with its concomitant of organism & obstacle (world-obstacle)—”

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D7V2 53/44

“[out of the original creation of self & Other or organism & environment—] we have created the splitting of primary Energy into energy inside & energy coming from outside, into right & wrong, & therewith, pleasure & pain.”

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D7V2 53/45

“*We create time to escape from an insufferable Now...therein we create death.*

“Furthermore, since we cannot escape pain into space (we cannot move away or out...yet), we create another duality: the duality of time—of past & future.”

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D7V2 53/46

“Remember what was said earlier about Janus, the two-faced god, representing beginnings & the fact that it faces in two directions, past & future. Thus, time.”

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D7V2 53/47

“The fetus, in that time prior to birth (“up against the wall”), seeks to escape into memories of a sweetness just recently removed. With this move we have created the duality of life & death, of being & nonbeing.”

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D7V2 53/48

“We have created nonbeing in that we are trying to escape the Now into the past, which is a mere memory, an *idea*, a reflection only of the Now."

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D7V2 53/49

“Furthermore, in this way it can be said that the genesis of time lies in the mechanism of regression, or the drive to return to the womb...”

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D7V2 53/50

“….regardless that initially that time in the womb one seeks to create is an earlier womb state & one actually is still *in* the womb while seeking it!”

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D7V2 53/51

“So it is that, also, we have the beginnings, the earliest template actually, of all later neurosis, which involves a retreat from the present, the Now, into an earlier time—a regression—that was blissful or more pleasurable.”

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D7V2 53/52

“*The Creation of Loneliness & the Expulsion from Paradise at Birth*

“S. Giora Shoham (1990) provides additional light on this second phase of separation.”

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D7V2 53/53

“[Shoham] mistakenly relates the second phase of separation to that between early & later orality during the toddler stage of development, meaning approximately age two to three.

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D7V2 53/54

“However, for reasons having to do with this annoying (to me) fear of intellectuals to entertain the notion of prenatal consciousness, his second phase instead fits more perfectly with the phase of separation at birth, my Veil Four.”

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D7V2 53/55

“Shoham would have put it there [at birth], too, if he were operating out of a model acknowledging prenatal memory & consciousness & thus requiring placement of his previous phase, phase one, in the womb.”

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D7V2 53/56

“Shoham notes, first of all, that the second phase of separation involves being ejected from “pantheistic togetherness” & that it is related to the mythical “expulsion from paradise.””

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D7V2 53/57

“Considering what has been said so far & what is known about the experience of being in the womb & of being born...for example, BPM I, followed by BPM II & BPM III, in Grof’s terminology...”

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D7V2 53/58

“…it should be clear how the experiential & mythical components Shoham cites relate to the experience of birth. Instead.”

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D7V2 53/59

“Therefore, in the next part of this book, having to do with Veil Five, prenatal malnutrition, we will see how more accurately the beginning of that expulsion from pantheistic togetherness occurs a little earlier, during the third trimester.”

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D7V2 53/60

“Nonetheless, birth is the culminating & graphic depiction of that expulsion. Indeed, it might even be said that…”

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D7V2 53/61

“…the phase of fetal malnutrition, Veil Five, relates to that time in Eden when, with this beginning of mistrust of the Divine, Eve is tempted by the serpent, which would be the umbilicus, with its placenta, & the mother in general.”

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D7V2 53/62

“So it is that mistrust, temptation, crime & guilt—indeed, in the womb, w the onset of hypoxia & confinedness, one begins to feel guilty, for one wonders what one has done wrong to cause this change of state so drastically fr bliss to horror—”

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D7V2 53/63

“[So it is that mistrust, temptation, crime & guilt] & separation from Divinity are the characteristics of both the time in Eden around the eating of the apple & the time in the third trimester.”

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D7V2 53/64

“*Birth as “Stern Judgment”*

“Furthermore, Shoham writes that this expulsion from paradise “sees God condemning man to a cursed land in which he will live in sorrow all his temporal life.””

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D7V2 53/65

“This statement [by Shoham] expresses, indeed, the consequences of birth pain on a person’s life.”

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D7V2 53/66

“However, his statement that “the pantheistic neonate learns through deprivational interaction...that he is not with everything but against everything” is not quite true.”

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D7V2 53/67

“By “deprivational interaction,” Shoham is referring to the insufficient satisfaction of needs which must, to some extent, occur postnatally with feeding, comfort, closeness deprivations.”

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D7V2 53/68

“Thus, with this instead occurring in the womb, it is not through *deprivational* interaction (not yet, anyway) but through *confrontational* interaction with the uterus…”

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D7V2 53/69

“…[it is through *confrontational* interaction with the uterus] in the manner previously described that the neonate first learns such a hard lesson:”

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D7V2 53/70

“Which is that its size is contrary to its environment’s “intention” for it to “not grow.””

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D7V2 53/71

“However, in that Veil 5 relating to the 3rd trimester is characterized, along with confinedness, w reduction or nutrients & O2 (you will see why in the next part, on the next Veil), there is that element of deprivation in the womb as well.”

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D7V2 53/72

“Regardless, as Shoham then points out, this event, surely enough, “gives way to the loneliness & encapsulated existence of the human individualized *separatum*.””

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D7V2 53/73

“The upshot is that we become separated from our true self & our Divine nature at birth; at birth a second duality arises in us.”

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D7V2 53/74

“Or, in my framework, being more elaborate, it is the fourth separation, following the ones at conception, the womb, & prenatal malnutrition.”

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D7V2 53/75

“Or taking it to its beginnings in the womb, at the time of prenatal hell, Veil Five, with the separation of intentions—that is to say, for the child to grow, for the uterus (mother) to resist growth—"

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D7V2 53/76

“—[at the time of prenatal hell, Veil Five, with the separation of intentions] there is the beginnings of that separation & ultimate loneliness.”

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D7V2 53/77

““This separation,” like the earlier separation in the creation of sperm & ovum (we get into that, also, later on, with Veil Seven, which has to do with conception), “is also perceived by the organism as a catastrophe.””

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D7V2 53/78

“It is coupled with a transition from grace in the womb “to the harshness of temporal stern judgment.” For *stern judgment*, read *birth*.”

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D7V2 53/79

“Why is birth “stern judgment”? It is so because something happens in the womb that is with us for the rest of our lives. This coming up against the uterine wall is seen as a judgment by the fetus. I will explain why in a little bit.”

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D7V2 53/80

“Especially we will deal with this in the Veil to come, Veil Five, “Prenatal Hell...Third Trimester Malnutrition & Hypoxia.””

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D7V2 53/81

“It is this aspect of the third trimester guilt, & the time in Eden after eating the apple, that is most associated with Shoham’s other quality of this expulsion.”

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D7V2 53/82

“First, let me point out Shoham’s statement “the light of Infinity was boundless, eternal, imperceptible, & nondifferentiated” before creation.”

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D7V2 53/83

“Furthermore: “The motivation of the emanating Infinity in forming separate entities was to be able to confer grace on them.” This makes sense, “because within the unity of Infinity there can be no giving & no receiving.””

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D7V2 53/84

“In this statement, we see that Shoham’s understanding of the why of the entire separation is similar to mine,..”

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D7V2 53/85

“…which [understanding] is that it is not about rebellion against God but about the Divine’s intention, in my words,“to have fun,” in Shoham’s, because otherwise there could “be no giving & receiving.””

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D7V2 53/86

“I feel my explanation is the better one, by the way, in that Shoham’s view does not explain why Divinity would even want “giving & receiving.” I mean out of everything, how does that come out as being the *sui generis* of it all.”

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D7V2 53/87

“In the vernacular, “Why is that even a thing?” Whereas my take on it explains that “giving & receiving” are aspects of the experience of God.”

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D7V2 53/88

“Further, [Shoham's] explanation does not encompass why there would be the opposite of “giving & receiving” that is to say, pain, evil, hate, & suffering.”

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“Mine does, in that all are aspects of expanding the parameters of Experience, in glorification of the All-That-Is, which is what I put forth as being the *sui generis* of Existence & Divine Intention.”

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“However, Shoham’s prime motive of “giving & receiving” does bear fruit of its own.”

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“For it follows from it that one has to have an Other in order to have the joy of flowing in & flowing out. There was no flow-in, flow-out prior to the time of the creation of Form.”

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“However, Shoham claims that “the differentiation of the emanant is effected by its swallowing of harsh Dinim (stern judgments).””

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“So originally, after the creation of sperm & egg, after the creation of form, the “differentiation”—that is to say, the continued elaboration of form, of the individual—is brought about by the encounter with stern judgments.”

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“On the adult level, we would say “suffering builds character.” Better put, “suffering builds ‘a character’ (all right).””

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“*Loss of Harmony of Intention*

“However on the prenatal level, this means that…”

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“…after the original duality there is the continued possibility, not only for there to be giving & receiving (flowing in, flowing out), but for there to be differences in intention between the self & the Other.”

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“& it is through the successive encounters with these differences or frictions of intention that the organism is stimulated to differentiate. In other words, the prenatal organism must grow in order to survive.”

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“More & more the fetus comes up against “harsh reality” & this causes it to become more & more differentiated, to become more & more complex & less & less unitary.”

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“The prenatal penultimate of this occurs, as mentioned, in the final stages of gestation in the fetus’s coming up against the resistance of the womb, which results in a *major* differentiation or complexity—the creation of another duality.”

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“But all along, as well, there have been the “swallowings” of harsh *Dinims* that have resulted in differentiation & increased complexity:”

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“the incompleteness & inferiority feelings of the sperm & egg (they have only half the number of chromosomes, after all) leading to the need to unite,..”

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“…the “survivor guilt” of the fertilized egg leading to cell multiplication, & the foundationlessness of the blastocyst leading to the need to implant in the uterine wall.”

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“Yet for this entire time in the womb, while there are obstacles, there are also ways around them, not to mention the experience of grace all about (being synchronistically nurtured by the womb).”

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“It is akin to a stream flowing downhill, over & around rocks & debris; no stopping it. As a fetus, one’s intention is to grow & grow & grow.”

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“So you’re expanding, you’re becoming blissful—you’re “blasting, billowing, bursting forth with the power of ten-billion butterfly sneezes.” Then all of a sudden: Boom! You hit a wall.”

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“Now there is no bubbling blissfully over it, no courseway around it; no exit.

“It is felt as a stern judgment: “What did I do wrong?” & this causes one to differentiate more.”

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“You no longer say: “Wow, I’m the whole universe.” Now you have to say: “I’m not what I thought I was.” This is the incipient Ego talking.”

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“In a way, there is fear: there is this “aggressor” (the womb); you have to “defend” in a way. & the beginnings of defenses are most accurately the beginnings of Ego & of Ego boundary.”

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“*To Summarize*
“To summarize, “The breaking of the vessels generated vileness in divinity & then vicariously in creation.”18 While Shoham considered this “breaking of the vessels” to be birth,..”

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“…you are aware that I consider those vessels broken to be that of the ovarian sac of the mother & the testicles of the father—both of which are instrumental developments in creating the event of conception.”

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“That is, the creation of sperm & ovum created the possibility of corruption, of difference in intention from that of the Divine. That is the beginning of “evil,” which is the opposite of “live.””

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“Or, another way of saying that, that is the beginning of having intentions other than the Divine’s intention which are pro-life & goodness, to have one’s that are self-destructive, anti-life, & thus its opposite, *evil*.”

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“That is why the prenatal matrices I delineate are matrices of evil, the origins of evil. We’re getting there. Just hang on.”

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“*The Pitiable Result*

“Then, “the expulsion of man from pantheistic paradise, resulted in the creation of the first human polar archetypes.””

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“So with birth, beginning in the third trimester, there is the creation of the first polar archetypes—the creation of past & future, space & time, & birth & death.”

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“In such manner, then, are the patterns of Ego & “mind” separated & severed from underlying & forgotten (but not *unfelt*) patterns of archetypal, karmic, psychic, & universal Self existing as body.”

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“The newly emergent conceptual bank is ripe for the impressions of society & culture. Hence, we see emerging & impinging on that “tabula rasa” the biosocial bands.”

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“These [biosocial bands] are the impressions of parent & community, as described under the processes of Veil 3, the primal scene & loss of selfhood; & Veil Two, rites of passage & Identity. (See *Dance of the Seven Veils I*.)”

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“With all that I have advanced under consideration, now, you see that the end result of the series of “falls from grace” we go thru in the course of our leaving the Godhead & coming back into Form existence is a pitiful portrait of a human.”

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“The process is consistent with one revealed as well in the *Tibetan Book of the Dead*, where the cycle of reincarnation involves descents from greater awareness in the course of coming into Form.”

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“*The “Wrathful Deities” of the Prenatal*

“Additionally, *The Tibetan Book of the Dead* describes a pattern of descent from an opportunity, in our after-death state, for mergence with The Clear Light of the Void, into various bardos.”

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“These bardos are regions encountered in that descent—from the Divine possibility of mergence with The Clear Light—with each region corresponding to lesser, more devolved, states. That is, until emergence in Form, specifically birth, occurs.”

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“In *Falls from Grace*, I showed how…”

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“…several of those bardos, occurring just prior to birth, coincided with the experiences we now know to occur during our state of existence as egg cells in our mother’s bodies, as sperm inside our fathers,& during our womb existence.”

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“They are lesser states from the Light, yet the most profound descent occurs at birth, at that point completely living in a Form existence & dominated, now, by Time.”

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“Prenatal—specifically that of fetal malnutrition during the last trimester of gestation (we’ll get into that next Veil)—& perinatal trauma causes this first major shutdown, this first major forgetting of our Divinity.”

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“Indeed the second to the last bardo before birth, the Chonyid Bardo, characterized, according to *The Tibetan Book of the Dead* by the emergence of fearful & wrathful deities, correlates to our time just before birth of fetal malnutrition.”

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“Most certainly, as you will see, our womb existence can be described as encountering blissful (during BPM I, Veil 6) then horrifically painful (fetal malnutrition, Veil 5), periods of the first two, then the third, trimesters, respectively.”

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“And from that bardo, it is said we proceed into the Sidpa Bardo, the “bardo of rebirth,” where we encounter visions related to a next birth.”

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“Typically, this might include hallucinations arising from karmic material as well as of sexual imagery of passionately embracing men & women. This is clearly related, then, to birth itself, Veil Four.”

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“& the intertwined images of lovers is provocatively suggestive of memory of the coming together of the chromosomal strands of DNA, which initiates the next cycle of birth,..”

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“…as well as [the intertwined images of lovers] symbolizes the desires that bring about incarnation in Form to begin with.”

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“Note, however, that we flee from the wrathful deities into this sexuality, conception, & rebirth, for we are not ready for the Clear Light of liberation. The lining up of these bardos,..”

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“…with their blissful & hellacious correlates...karmically propelled, mind you...with the Veils I am proposing (4 through 6) is why I say that at birth & during fetal malnutrition our karmic strands are indelibly imprinted on our character.”

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“It is also why I claim we flee into birth into the world, being unable to retain our Divinity amid the assault of heavenly & demonic experiences."

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“Which indeed we do: We escape from the excruciating pain of pre-birth fetal malnutrition by being born.”

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“It is that prenatal hell, which is the next Veil—involving the compression & hypoxia occurring to virtually all of us during the third trimester of gestation—that we are ever trying futilely, pathetically to put behind us.”

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“*“In the Sweat of Thy Brow” & Mortality*

“Furthermore, it is clear that by being tossed out of the Garden—forced to fill up our days with grueling hard work, for men, & forced to repress one’s sexuality & be dominated by men, for women—

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“[by being tossed out of the Garden] —so much of our time & attention would be taken up so that we would no longer have the leisure allowing us to fall into & realize (to “feel through to”) our prenatal & perinatal trauma…”

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“…& the wisdom & knowledge of immortality that lies beyond it (which is enmeshed within the joy grids & the spiritual grids).”

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“Thus “God’s punishment” of ejection from Eden, metaphorically speaking, does take us away from our knowledge of our immortality.”

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“Although early gatherer-hunters *did* have such leisure time & they did, & do, engage in shamanic practices & trance states, available to all in the community, young & old.”

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“In these practices, sometimes with the help of *entheogens*—literally, “creating the divine within”—or what are commonly called *psychedelics* (meaning, “mind expanding”), though not always,..”

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“…& sometimes employing non-drug psychotechnologies of consciousness expansion, these primal people actually have been able to re-capture that knowledge of our immortality.”

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“Sometimes they have been able to “feel back through” the traumatic experiences blocking it & to re-experience that state—associated with our early prenatal state—of connection with Divinity.”

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“Yet consider, has our situation in modern times changed all that?”

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“You might say we have no spare time & we must fill up our days struggling to survive, to make money. However, if that is so, how does one account for the immense amount of time postmodern humans spend shopping, entertaining,..”

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“…being entertained by media, playing video games, taking the kids all about & everywhere, imbibing or smoking intoxicants & partying, spectating & talking about sports, watching television, & on the internet socializing.“

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“Just an aside, but maybe it is simply a matter of priorities that keeps us from regaining again what we lost at the beginning of time.”

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“Added to that, consider how much time people spend in boredom, whatever they are doing. It is not just adolescents who consider most of what they are doing to be “*bo*-ring.””

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“It is just that teens are more honest about their lives & less removed from a memory of a time of wonder that is everyone’s childhood where life was delicious, fresh, & new, anything but boring.”

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“If you are honest, you will admit that the great majority of the time you spend, even in activities, is less, often considerably less, than “juicy.””

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“This is the life we are given by civilization, removed from vivid, unpredictable, endlessly exciting & rewarding, & profoundly growthful & spirit-infused experience.”

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“There is no ADD (attention deficit disorder) among pre-civilizational peoples. Why would one’s mind wander when the present is so thoroughly engaging, so thoroughly interesting?”

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“Our lives in modernity are truly shallow & empty compared to the deep & fully feeling lives we had in Nature...are capable of...& could have again.”

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“In which case, maybe the day has finally dawned for a return to Eden. Let us take up that auspicious prospect next.”

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“We take now a look at what is preventing our happiness, our return to Eden, & what can be said about changing that...about going hOMe.”

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This has been a thread of the entire Ch 53,

“Diminution & Expulsion at the 3rd Trimester:

of *Dance of the Seven Veils II* by Michael Adzema

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Chapter 53 is subtitled,

“The Why & Way of Mind, or Ego, Separating from Universal Consciousness…

“Ejection from “Eden” Happens to Everyone During Fetal Malnutrition: Suffering Builds a Character”

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My book is subtitled,

*Prenatal/Perinatal Psychology, Mythology, & Your Divine Self*

*Infant to Prenate, Veils Four-Six*

& it is Volume 3 in The Path of Ecstasy Series

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*Dance of the Seven Veils II* by Michael Adzema is being released in paperback & ebook any day now and might already be available when you read this. This is a complimentary chapter from the book.

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The complete chapter is available online at the links in this thread.

This link is to a pdf copy of Chapter 53, “Diminution & Expulsion at the Third Trimester” of *Dance of the Seven Veils II*

To read &/or download a copy, click:

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It is time now to regain the primal legacy of belongingness in Divinity & Nature which we lost when we claimed ourselves “crown of creation” & peak of the evolutionary pyramid. This book is a powerful aid in regaining one’s authentic self.

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“…if we do not regain our truer & underlying humanity, & instead, coming forth as we normally do, we continue acting out of our pain grids, we are not going to have a ‘human’ experience…”

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“…or even an Earthly life experience to be detailing & exploring, in the future, let alone people to hear about them.”

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In looking at these matrices embedded in us through our cellular & womb & birth experiences, it will be possible to have our best chance to get a look at existence outside of these matrices—the No-Form State.

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If you like & agree w these ideas & want more attention on them, feel free to download the chapter & pass it around, as you wish; use it to share this perspective

& please send any comments/reviews of the book to me at

[e-mail]

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The idea being I might be able to use your comments in describing it in my own sharing on social media.

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