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@RKBower1 @TracyJan @damianpaletta @TheArtist_MBS 1/ I owe you a couple of responses. Spiral dynamics, (something else, I 'll check the log), and some engagement on this question. Frankly I notice we come to similar impass frequently.
Your POV seems so absolute, and absolutely grounded on ideas/principles that are insufficient.
Your POV seems so absolute, and absolutely grounded on ideas/principles that are insufficient.
@RKBower1 @TracyJan @damianpaletta @TheArtist_MBS 2/ Not that I accuse you of being wrong. It is deeper than that. At the level of any given event, or even general point re press, dem's, trump, economy I might agree. Like this issue w the press. I certainly know of its faults. The diff is, I think, you hold that level to be
@RKBower1 @TracyJan @damianpaletta @TheArtist_MBS 3/ the bottom, foundational level of the argument/position, while I hold it to be a derivative one. Yours, being foundational principle does not have (much) room for change- its constitutional, whereas mine acknowledges the problem/issue and appeals to a deeper principle for
@RKBower1 @TracyJan @damianpaletta @TheArtist_MBS 4/ resolution as well as a basis for action & change.
Sure the media does many things that are not right.
The solution is absolutely not "The press is the enemy of the people".
Or the impossible bind you put yourself into: "I research everything myself."
Sure the media does many things that are not right.
The solution is absolutely not "The press is the enemy of the people".
Or the impossible bind you put yourself into: "I research everything myself."
@RKBower1 @TracyJan @damianpaletta @TheArtist_MBS 5/ IMO your premise is wrong, along w MrT, (hopefully for different reasons - his are ego and power driven- he equates himself w the country thinking anything that exposes him is bad for the nation. A solipsistic egocentric premise that stinks, as well as being dangerous...
@RKBower1 @TracyJan @damianpaletta @TheArtist_MBS 6/ I gather yours are more along the lines of despair for having had some direct negative experience and maybe a general despair of human nature?)
Regardless it is simply too flimsy a foundation to hold "Everything the Press does is Fake News".
Regardless it is simply too flimsy a foundation to hold "Everything the Press does is Fake News".
@RKBower1 @TracyJan @damianpaletta @TheArtist_MBS 7/ it isnt. But to hold that it is, is to hold that the free exchange/free speach of ideas is an error, & is no way to end up deliberating the facts and/or a truth of a matter.
But that goes into a next level to the convo.
Hope this makes sense. It feels something like a key.
But that goes into a next level to the convo.
Hope this makes sense. It feels something like a key.
