Espinal: Yes.
So these photos, which, again, I haven't seen, supposedly look worse than the photos you have seen online.
It's worth noting that Hill's attorney did not object to the earlier photos coming in. While she could have objected to these photos because they really *did not* show anything, and would be...
First, Espinal says she and Hill were "on and off." She had clothes at his place and stayed there regularly, however
Espinal: He did.
R: And did he take some of your things and put them outside the door?
E: He threw them.
...
R: Did he lock the door?
E: No.
...
R: Did he close the door and tell you to leave?
E: Yes.
R: Even though you knew he didn't want you there, correct?
E: Yes.
Espinal explains that she didn't have any pants on, just underwear and a long t-shirt, which is why...
R: Well, why not? You didn't - did you think you were in danger at that point?
E: I mean, why would you go outside without pants on?
R: Well, if you thought somebody was going to do something to you
E: I didn't think he was going to do anything to me.
E: No.
(As an aside, 610 had one of Hill's roommates on last week. He said he saw Espinal outside the house that night. I don't think this means much either way, though)
R: And you had retrieved your phone?
E: In the hallway, yes.
R: He had given it back to you?
E: He had - yeah.
E: Not all of it.
R: Okay. What was not in there that you thought was yours?
Again, details about the phone are being lost. It's hard to blame R - lawyering is hard - but the devil is in the details
R: When you went back into Mr. Hill's residence after he had closed the door and told you to leave, did you hit him?
E: No.
R: Never hit him at all?
E: No.
R: You just sat there passive and never made any defensive motions at all?
E: I pushed him
E: His chest.
R: When did you push him?
E: When he was choking me?
R: Okay. But you never hit him?
E: No.
R: Never bit him?
E: No
We pick back up in the middle of the cross examination of Espinal by Hill's attorney, Ms. Ramsey:
E: Yes.
R: Have you ever seen a psychologist?
E: What - yeah.
R: Okay. Is that because of self-mutilation?
E: No
E: No.
R: Bruising yourself?
E: No.
R: How long has it been since you've seen a psychologist?
E: I'm seeing one currently now.
R: When did you see one before?
And finally, the State objects. Honestly, the prosecutor was asleep at the wheel a bit here
R: It's my understanding from information that we have received that she's been seeing a psychologist for quite some time because of...
Prosecutor: And the victim has indicated that's not the case.
The court sustains the objection. But the cat is out of the bag, so to speak. Ramsey has already asked the questions she wanted to ask. State was late
R: About what?
E: Someone telling me he was hitting on high schoolers.
This is *not* the answer I was expecting, by the way. In like 99% of these scenarios...
R: Is that a hickey?
E: No.
R: Do you and Mr. Hill when you have sex, does he give you hickeys on a regular basis?
E: He has before.
E: No.
R: And in relation to when this supposedly occurred, how long was it before that you two had sex?
The State objects, again (IMO) a little bit late. It's much better to object too early than too late. Anyway, the objection is relevance
R: As to hours before or the before as to injuries that could have possibly be depicted (sic) in this that are not injuries from abuse.
This time the court does not immediately sustain the objection, but asks R to "lay the foundation"
Court: Well, it's not relevant unless it's related to the injuries. Lay your foundation.
I don't want to editorialize too much, but I have to imagine Ramsey's reaction to the second "lay your foundation" was...
R: Do you and him, Mr. Hill, usually have rough sex?
E: No
R: Have you ever been bruised or had hickeys because of sex with him before?
E: Yes.
Anyway, she now has shown the court where she's going and is finally allowed to ask when they had sex
R: Did he have your phone?
E: Yes
R: I thought you said he gave it back to you
R: Okay. But you had access to it?
E: Yes.
Ramsey confirms that Espinal had retrieved her phone and laptop and then asks "why was was it that you didn't leave at that point?"
E: That, and I had other things in his room.
R: Have you ever been accused of self-mutilation?
The State is paying attention this time and of course immediately objects.
But this time the court says "lay a foundation," not "sustained"
E: They were visible. I mean, my eye was visible.
R: Well, that's my question. Some of them you said did not appear that night. That's why you went back to the police department the next day.
Now, if you missed this earlier, we don't have Exhibits 17-40, the later photos. And I mentioned earlier that bruising is more apparent after days
E: No ma'am.
R: Never seen a psychologist for that?
E: No ma'am.
/end cross
Honestly, it's a pretty strong performance from Ramsey. Very theatrical. Ended with a very suggestive line of questioning
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E: No.
P: So this was embarrassing to you?
E: Yes ma'am.
So, there's the point the prosecutor wanted to make. This was a compromising situation, of sorts, for Espinal.
*Lawyers never just have a couple of questions
R: He put your property out in the hallway, correct?
E: Uh-huh.
R: To include your phone and your laptop?
E: Uh-huh.
R: The things that were most valuable to you, correct?
E: Yes
E: Yes.
R: He closed the door in your face, correct?
E: Yes.
R: And you still refused to leave?
E: Yes.
R: Nothing further, Your Honor.*
*Hey, Hill's lawyer actually did have just a couple of questions after all
B: Yes, I have.
OK, great. How many times? Any special training in investigating domestic violence? We don't know, because the State didn't ask. It's a prelim, but still.
B: I was contacted by the DA's Office to do some further investigation in reference to a domestic violence that included some strangulation
B: Yes, I had.
P: Okay. Is that your customary practice?
B: Yes, it is.
WHAT materials? I don't know. Prosecutor didn't ask. I'm assuming Bruce reviewed the reports of the patrol officers, but 🤷♂️
P: Okay. And were her injuries that you observed on her person, were they consistent with her account of events?
B: Yes, they were.
Ramsey objects - slightly too late, because Bruce has already answered the question.
P: Okay. And why did you prepare that search warrant?
B: Because based upon my investigation, I determined there was possible evidence that was related to the incident at his residence.
P: And this search warrant was granted?
B: Yes, it was.
P: And what were you searching for?
A: Requesting to search for a turquoise tee shirt.
P: Okay. Did you find anything else of significance to this case?
B: The only thing else I found of significance was an ultrasound photo.
(presumably in Hill's room? But that isn't asked)
B: Injuries develop throughout time. They don't always show the injury on the day that the injury is sustained. Based upon the classes and training and experience that we've had...
But you knew all this already because you've read the whole thread, and I've already told you this a few times
R: Did you take her phone and look at it?
B: I did not.
B: I did not.
R: Do you know if someone did?
B: To my knowledge, it was not done.
R: I'm going to hand you what's been marked as State's Exhibit 41. And I believe you said that was Mr. Hill's room; is that correct?
B: Yes, it is.
B: It looks pretty empty. I don't - your definition of clean and mine are probably different.
R: There's not a lot of stuff all over the place?
B: It's not clutter if that's what you're asking
B: Again, there's not a lot of stuff in the thing to be tidy. But yes, it's not cluttered.
...
R: Did you see any damage to the apartment? I'm sorry. Did you see any damage to Mr. Hill's room?
B: I didn't note any damage to his room, no.
B: There was none noted.
R: And to his shower area?
B: I didn't go into the shower area.
I mean, I said analysis at the end, but you all see what Ramsey has done here.
B: It doesn't initially show, no.
R: Isn't it correct people do things to themselves also that show up later?
B: Excuse me?
(this was a bad question, but you can see where this is going)
B: Are you asking for my opinion?
R: I'm asking you is it possible.
The State objects, about two questions too late (despite Bruce's valiant, and probably inadvertent, efforts to slow Ramsey down and avoid answering)
B: Could she have?
R: Yes.
B: Yes.
R: The only thing you know about this case is what you've been told, is that correct?
B: I know what I've been told and the observations I made.
R: But you were not there, is that correct?
...
B: No ma'am, I was not.
R: Did someone [look at the cell phones] at your request?
B: No, they did not. I'm the examiner at the department for cell phones. And to my knowledge, it was not done.
R: Okay. And what about his cell phone?
R: Did you see anything that was damaged in the apartment?
B: Did I see any damage to the apartment?
R: Uh-huh. Or his room area.
B: Other than the shirt that was ripped on the floor, no.
B: Like I said, it was a pretty bare room. So no, ma'am, I was not - did not.
R: You've never met her before this time, is that correct?
B: No, I've never met either one of them.
/cross
P: And were you expecting to find structural damage to the room?
B: No, I was not?
P: Why not?
A: The allegations or the investigation didn't make me believe that there would be any damage to the room.
R: Did you ever call Mr. Hill to talk with him about this case?
B: No, I did not.
R: Did anyone at your request?
B: At my request?
R: Uh-huh.
B: No.
B: I - to my knowledge, the only contact made with him was via the patrol officers. And to the extent of any questioning, I'm not aware of.
R: Nothing further.
We're done with all the witness testimony, y'all!
Judges, in my experience, aren't huge fans of lengthy argument at prelim.
I'll give you Ramsey's argument verbatim
/end argument