The entire point of this thread is the fact that everything these men are doing in response to a female performing poetry, are all the things leaders have said we cannot or should not do regarding abuse.
We would be encouraged if:
We would be encouraged if:
ANYONE in leadership had suggested we not fund the Baptist Press until we deal with the fact that they defamed two different women by reporting violent sexual assault as an affair.
That move destroyed two women AND propped up two higher profile SBC pastors.
That move destroyed two women AND propped up two higher profile SBC pastors.
Those pastors who were reported as adulterers instead of rapists ARE STILL IN MINISTRY, including with the SBC until one rapist removed his church a few months ago, decades after all this happened.
No one suggested not funding a news outlet that had TWICE engaged in defamation.
No one suggested not funding a news outlet that had TWICE engaged in defamation.
We would be encouraged if anyone in leadership had suggested writing letters to encourage leaders to not platform pastors who have covered up abuse.
We would be encouraged if anyone in leadership acted like Paige Patterson telling a rape victim that she should be glad it was anal rape, because her future husband can still get her virginity, did damage to marriage, families and our concepts of manhood and womanhood.
We would be encouraged if leaders, who are supposed to be the gatekeepers of ALL Scripture and protect from wolves, noted any concern with leaders who covered up abuse, teaching and preaching.
There are two former SBC pres- Patterson and Vines, who platformed a known abuser after denigrating dozens of women who reported him. Including at the pastor's conference in 1991.
No leader has suggested this wasn't ok, or acknowledged the numerous victims that resulted.
No leader has suggested this wasn't ok, or acknowledged the numerous victims that resulted.
No one in leadership publicly supported Anne Marie Miller when she told how her abuse had been covered up by IMB. No one suggested funding should be withheld until we determined if the SBC was funding pedophiles overseas.
The point is not that no one can express an opinion about speakers at the pastors conference.
The point is that we are continually told the same responses being suggested for a woman reciting poetry, can't or shouldn't be used for pedophiles or pastors who cover for them.
The point is that we are continually told the same responses being suggested for a woman reciting poetry, can't or shouldn't be used for pedophiles or pastors who cover for them.
Sexual assault of women and children is not seen as near the danger to the gospel or to people, that a woman reciting poetry is seen to be. It's not seen as a danger to marriage and family the way women not in submission is seen to be.
The biggest crisis for many is the role of women. The biggest threat to people, the church, the gospel, is the role of women.
Abuse is not seen to be nearly as damaging to anything, as "unbiblical roles".
Abuse is not seen to be nearly as damaging to anything, as "unbiblical roles".
That's the point.
And I expect people who teach or work on certain areas primarily to be focused on those main areas.
I likewise expect that leaders who are supposed to be the gatekeepers, shepherds and protectors of the church and its people as a whole, to be less myopic.
And I expect people who teach or work on certain areas primarily to be focused on those main areas.
I likewise expect that leaders who are supposed to be the gatekeepers, shepherds and protectors of the church and its people as a whole, to be less myopic.
A recent survey showed that 10% of young protestants have left the church over abuse.
This is a spiritual death issue.
This is a spiritual death issue.
Studies repeatedly show evangelicals have equal rates of victims in church as out of church. That's 1 in 4 women, 1 in 6 men. 1 in 3 women for domestic violence.
This isn't a fringe issue facing your flock.
This isn't a fringe issue facing your flock.
