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[NOTE] This tweetstorm could follow a red herring, or help frame one's thoughts about the loonaverse. WARNING: *philosophy on twitter*, many details are lost in compression.
[yyxy one + Olivia Hye teaser 1] 2 SAME TYPOS "I AN thou, thou art me". That's AN, not AM, showing up twice. Is no one talking about this or am I late to the party? They wouldn't make this typo twice, right? :s
What happens if you look up I AN THOU?
In I and Thou, Austria-Hungary-born theologist/philosopher Buber classifies human existence into two types of relations, I-it, and I-thou. The book has 3 parts, I won't go into it all on Twitter (yet), but the kinda-basics of it are as follows...
Most of existence is composed of I-it relations. I don't reciprocate feelings with an IT, or vice versa. Driving a car, buying LOONA discog: I-it. Even for other humans, you can be in I-it relations too. Objectification, thinking of people as means to an end, etc...
In an I-thou relation, you show everything to a "thou", and the relation must work both ways.
IEP: "An I-It relation experiences a detached thing, fixed in space and time, while an I-Thou relation PARTICIPATES in the dynamic, living process of an 'other'" (emphasis mine)
A few quotes (from goodread):
"To man the world is twofold, in accordance with his twofold attitude"
"Feelings accompany the metaphysical and metaphysical fact of love, but they do not constitute it"
"[yyxy] decide to be truthful to their emotions in the moment, free of worries about what may come tomorrow." [Yves - new]
Essentially yyxy sings about showing their inner selves [to partake in I-thou relations] and related challenges, like opening up to oneself and forgiveness.
If you're interested, you need to read more. (Sparknotes btw) Too much nuance was lost in 280 chars. Recognize that the term "love" might not mean what you might be think here, it encompasses a lot more. See this image for why this could be a red herring and lead you/us astray.
The quote in yyxy video "one" is pretty crazy. In addition to Buber's "I and Thou", there are two other connections people have found AFAIK: Persona and Gospel of Eve. Thing is, they might all be relevant by design...
[통역 잘못하는것 좀 창피합니다 ㅈㅅ...]
영어로 똑같은 오타 두번 나올일이 0%로 추정하고, 오타가 있는 "I AN THOU" 검색하면 마르틴 부버의 "나와 너"(Ich und Du, 1923) 바로 나옴. 마루틴 부버는 오스트리아-헝가리 출신. "나와 너"쓰며 "관계"라는것을 2개로 나눔: "나와 너", "나와 그것".
"나와 너" 의 관계는 "나, 너" 같이 속마음, 감정, 존재 그 자체를 인간사이처럼 서로 소통하는 관계이고, 그 외에 모두의 관계는 "나와 그것". 우리 다 알고있는 "사랑"의 개념이 바로 "나와 너" 관계 중 하나. 하지만 사람한테도 "그거"의 관계 많이 있죠. 특히 다른 사람의 신체적 특징"만" 볼때.
그래거 yyxy 빅픽쳐?
"내일의 걱정 따윈 생각할 수 없을 만큼 오늘 이 순간의 감정에 대해 충실하기로 한다."(앨범소개) 원하는것은 "나와 너"관계. 그리고 내면의 감정을 보내며 어려운부분도 소개 ex) 자기애, 용서
특히 관찰으로 시간과 장소를 알아볼수있으면 "나와 그것"의 관계로 볼수있음. 아직까지 탐러인 우리가 당연하게 해온것뿐 - 시간/장소 알아보기. 이거 읽기 후 다른 힌트 바로 찾아보지 않고 가만히 생각만 해보게됐음... 탐러한테 이건 어떤 힌트/의미인가? (... 의미 있나?ㅠ)
먼저 올라온 생각: "이거 지ㅣㅣㅣㄴ짜 썩은 레드헤링이니까 무시하자" 🙈🙉
골치 아프게 하는 생각: "바로 이거야 ㄹㅇ제이든정의 속마음 같은데. 평범한 시간/장소같은 힌트만으로 확실히 못풀어. 근데 그 외에 대체 뭐 남음?"
Below I just outline roughly the same thoughts in korean. My first thought was that "I and thou" is a big red herring, and to ignore it. The scariest thought is that Jaden Jung would do this... We've obviously only looked at hints in space and time. Barring those, what's left...?
Alternatively the I and Thou reference could just be a dash of background information for yyxy and there's nothing too deep about it in relation to loonaverse events.
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