Thread by @kane

Spotted in Noe Valley (ht @kevinakwok)

Looks like I’m spending my Saturday morning heckling some maliciously ignorant neighbors ☕️

So I actually stopped by this since it’s down the street from men. Live tweet time!

This presenter is incorrectly claiming that you should NOT treat symptoms in children, including diarrhea and fever, because it is “purifying” the disease.

The presenter is now claiming with no evidence that having your kids vaccinated means they will “internalize”’diseases more. And that makes other vaccines more dangerous?

The presenter is claiming that there’s “tons of science” supporting her claims and then proceeds to stumble through a statistical fallacies including causation =/= correlation and representativeness fallacy.

One of the “studies” is by a homeopath with no immunology background.

This hat tho

Presenter is now falsely claiming that “big proteins” cannot be broken down in the blood (??) and vaccines “create” allergies to eggs, wheat, and soy.

Audience member asks if “big pharma has done its due diligence”

Presenter claims, ironically with no evidence, “no their studies aren’t scientific at all”

Presenter now incorrectly claiming that vaccines are “grown on eggs” (they aren’t - some are incubated in eggs though).

Presenter is now making claims that all vaccines are bad because they have aluminum in them, but aluminum isn’t used in live viral vaccines...

Presenter “there are good studies you just have to look hard for them!”

Bruh that’s literally the opposite of how science works

Presenter is now falsely claiming that the use of fetal tissue in pharmaceutical research will mean that your kid will have SOMEONE ELSE’S DNA INCORPORATED INTO THEIR CELLS!!

I’ve seen this movie

I literally can’t tweet fast enough to cover all the crazy.

One audience member claims that vaccinating kids is against the Nuremberg Principles.

Presenter falsely claiming a very clear causal relation between vaccination and cancer in kids.

Presenter is now dumping a bunch of impressive sounding biomedical jargon that is not at all related and using it to draw a nonexistent causal link between vaccines and cancer and allergies

Yes!! A mother in the audience asked a reasonable question “how do you know vaccinated kids are actually worse off?”

“I always think what if they didn’t get vaccinated? Would they be better? It’s so hard to tell” Which doesn’t answer the question at all

Holy shit. Crazy guy in audience claiming his daughter was “disabled” by Gardasil and his friend was “killed” by the flu vaccine.

Presenter is falsely claiming that autistic kids post-mortem have organs with “built up aluminum that look like shiny tin cans” ??

I came here mostly as a joke but it just got pretty scary. One person in the audience mentions that “all mainstream media including NPR is bought out by Big Pharma and you can’t trust anything about vaccines they report”

Audience is now amping itself up by sharing anecdotes and “studies” they found on Google about how kids have died from vaccines.

Presenter now incorrectly claiming that vaccines cause SIDS

Presenter now claiming without statistical evidence that the USA’s high infant mortality rate is because of vaccinations (it’s most likely cause is expensive and inconsistent healthcare)

Audience members now claiming without evidence that “the opulent few” and “the rich” don’t vaccinate. This is some wild far-left populism.

Audience member scoffing: “do you think Obama’s kids are vaccinated?”

Presenter verbatim:

“I tried to give [my kid] chicken pox five times... I tried to give them mumps and measles”

How is this not child abuse?

Presenter: “[you shouldn’t give your kid the measles vaccine bc] there have been few deaths from measles the past decade”

...yes, measles deaths have decreased because we started vaccinating

Presenter previously falsely claimed vaccines cause cancer

She’s now claiming with no evidence that MEASLES PROTECTS YOU FROM CANCER (also heart disease)

“Puking and fever and mucus... are signs of a healthy child”

What the actual fuck

Presenter now falsely claiming that homeopathy and naturopathy are the best treatments for your diseases.

Presenter falsely claiming that herd immunity doesn’t exit unless you naturally get a disease and survive.

Presenter falsely claiming that all vaccine efficacy only lasts 1-10 years. This is only true of a few and certainly not most vaccines.

Presenter now falsely claiming that “vaccinated people are actually more contagious... because they are carrying the virus”

This is not correct. Live vaccines use a crippled virus to trigger immune protection. It is completely different from the wild type virus.

Presenter is making fallacious argument that bc measles rates and measles death rates are uncorrelated, we don’t need vaccine even though it reduces measles rates.

Measles can result in fatal opportunistic infections. Measles doesn’t have to directly kill you to be fatal.

Presenter dangerously and falsely claiming we don’t need to worry about germs or symptoms like diarrhea, vomit, fever - we just have to make sure our “toxic load(??)” is in check and we’ll be 100% okay.

Dangerous! mother in the audience is asking daughter should get a polio vaccine before traveling to a developing nation.

Presenter is falsely claiming that vaccine is more dangerous than polio, and mother should just give her kids “tons of vitamin C and tons of cod liver oil”

Every time I thought we couldn’t ratchet up the crazy, it gets worse.

Man in audience suggests mother make her daughter drink her own urine instead of getting polio vaccine.

I can’t tell if this guy is crazy or a gigatroll

Drink-your-own-urine-to-cure-polio man is now claiming that Franklin D Roosevelt didn’t actually have polio and it’s a conspiracy.

The hard hitting evidence: “you can google it”

Whoa. Presenter now implying that women shouldn’t get HPV vaccines bc they aren’t safe.

Presenter claims with no evidence that “Pharma companies ignore trials that don’t show the results they want” while encouraging audience to only pay attention to studies she’s handpicked and to ignore all other studies. This would be hilarious if not so terrifying.

Presenter is now claiming with no evidence that 40K+ people died in the US in 2016 from vaccines.

For reference, that would be more than deaths from motor vehicles in the US.

Presenter making an insane claim that’s undermining the scientific process: “you [the audience] now know more than most pediatricians!”

Presenter is saying she knows she is right because people are *so opposed* to her and anti-vaxx at large.

This is a logical fallacy known as the “Galileo gambit”, ie “I must be a misunderstood genius if people are judging me” - statistically you’re probably just wrong

Ok I had to leave. couldn’t take it anymore.

On the way out, this building had a flyer posted falsely claiming that women should rely on thermography instead of mammography for cancer screening

This dangerous institution is More Mojo Chiropractic

If you value scientific inquiry, public health, and children not dying, never patronize this place