• Fiona Hill, former top Russia expert for the White House
• David Holmes, senior diplomat at the US Embassy in Ukraine
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"I have heard some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia" didn't meddle in the 2016 election "and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, Ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative..."
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"He was being involved in a domestic political errand, and we were being involved in national security foreign policy."
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"I did say to him, 'I think this is all going to blow up' — and here we are."