• Fiona Hill, former top Russia expert for the White House
• David Holmes, senior diplomat at the US Embassy in Ukraine
"I have heard some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia" didn't meddle in the 2016 election "and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, Ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative..."
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"He was being involved in a domestic political errand, and we were being involved in national security foreign policy."
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"I did say to him, 'I think this is all going to blow up' — and here we are."