Will arguments finally begin or will the case be adjourned again?
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Centre had asked for more time to respond to new petitions - assists they haven't done so.
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Centre and Govt of J&K were to submit responses by 22 November. Hearing that responses may have been submitted on Friday, 6 Dec.
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Attorney General KK Venugopal is here, presumably to represent Union of India.
Raju Ramachandran, Rajeev Dhavan, CU Singh and a host of other senior advocates here for the petitioners.
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Justices NV Ramana, BR Gavai, Sanjay Kishan Kaul, R Subhash Reddy and Surya Kant.
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Including relevant sections of Constituent Assembly Debates.
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Arguments to begin today. Judges ask how many lawyers arguing for the petitioners, ask them to figure out a schedule.
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Dhavan is representing Sajad Lone's People's Conference, says he has not yet consulted with the other lawyers, but has specific instructions from his client.
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Then refuses to give up a seat at the front to the senior advocates who are arguing.
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Sharma refuses to move.
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Raju Ramachandran finally starts his arguments.
Says there are five grounds of arguments, beginning with the problems with the Proclamation of President's Rule in J&K on 19 Dec 2018.
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Then a challenge to the #JammuAndKashmir Reorganisation Act 2019.
Finally, a challenge to the Governor's concurrence for these actions of the Centre.
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Reads out the clauses of the IOA, including those noting accession is subject to the terms and conditions agreed
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Ramachandran says there were some differences, some schedules on residuary powers were different.
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Notes how it required "consultation" of govt of J&K re matters already agreed upon in IOA, but "concurrence" when it came to new matters.
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Says this means such a proposal was supposed to originate from the people of J&K.
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Matter to resume at 2 pm after lunch.
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Hearing set to resume soon.
In the meanwhile, here's the Presidential Order dated 6 August 2019 (CO 273), which Ramachandran was referring to just before.
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Hearing resumes after lunch.
Raju Ramachandran (for Shah Faesal, Shehla Rashid et al) now refers to sections of the Constitution of J&K.
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Then moves on to provision for Governor's Rule, which was in place for six months till President's Rule.
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➡️ J&K is integral part of India.
➡️ Provisions of Constitution applicable to J&K (ie 370)
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He explains that u/ President's Rule, the President + Parliament can only be given powers exercisable by the legislature of a State. If J&K legislature couldn't do something, neither could they
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He also points to Article 357(2) in particular, which indicates that any such laws passed by President and Parliament have to be reversible by the State legislature subsequently if it wants.
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Ramachandran says the Presidential Orders, Reorganisation and concurrence were not reversible.
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Essentially would mean President is giving concurrence to himself through Governor as delegate.
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Ramachandran says they were "impermissible", as these weren't just changes of nomenclature, like when Governor was substituted for Sadr-i-Riyasat.
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Delhi HC dismissed a challenge to that as Proclamation of PR want contested. Here, that's been done.
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Also notes that the Legislative Council of J&K hadn't been dissolved at the time of the Presidential Orders. @TheQuint
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Which means no application of mind, he argues.
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Says the Bill was passed without MPs having a chance to read it.
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Ramachandran to clarify first thing in the morning tomorrow, when the matter will resume.
Hearing adjourned.
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