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See, when I say that I can easily believe he and Elizabeth Warren are both telling the truth about a conversation they had a different takeaway from, this is the kind of thing I'm thinking about.
Like, there's a very different vibe from him saying like this as a general statement in public, and him saying it privately in the specific case to a woman who sees him as a valued ally when discussing her plans.

And it's very possible for him to have not realized that.
Nuance! It's a thing. And it's not, in my opinion, his strongest suit.
And sure we'd want our friends to understand that we're coming from a good place when we say things clumsily.

But we also want our friends to understand the impact of their words.
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