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@inkspringed @AllieRenison @JohnRentoul Thanks. My question to Allie (and all those who can't countenance revoke on democratic grounds) is this. If there is no version of Brexit (eg the WA and 'no deal') which Parliament is prepared to endorse, what is the democratic way to proceed? 1/
@inkspringed @AllieRenison @JohnRentoul Yes - there was a majority for abstract leave in 2016. But we cannot leave in the abstract. If we Brexit, we have to settle on a concrete Brexit of some sort. And (more than 2 years into the A50 process), we cannot agree. So how can, democratically, can we proceed? 2/2
@inkspringed @AllieRenison @JohnRentoul Perhaps I should add that the case for revoke would disappear, if a concrete version of Brexit were to command majority support in Parliament. Brexit would happen (indeed it would have happened some time ago) if there was a majority for any concrete version.
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Phil Syrpis
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Let me have a little go at this tweet. My claim is that there is a long way to go before Labour's position becomes, as John says, 'absolutely clear'. 1/
Labour's first preference is a general election. The tweet concedes that is not likely to be possible. But... let's assume it is. The immediate question is: what would Labour's policy be? What offer would it seek to make? Will it pursue its 'better' Brexit (if so, how)? 2/
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Phil Syrpis
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This won't be heard, but there are 2 big reasons why today's result cannot be seen as a proxy for a second referendum (the vote shares for leave and remain parties are dominating the coverage...). THREAD 1/
First, we don't know, and are a long way from knowing, what Brexit might be on the table. Will it be 'no deal'? What does 'no deal' mean? Do we want, and can we get, an FTA with the EU? How will the Irish border be dealt with? 2/
As Brexit crystallizes, I think it is inevitable that it will lose some support. It is difficult to imagine that things will be handled well in the next months... 3/
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A quick thread on Theresa May's departure, and what it means for those MPs (almost certainly a big majority) who are opposed to a 'no deal' Brexit. 1/
I'm proceeding on the assumption that the next PM will only win office by aiming either directly for no deal, or to change the deal (eg by demanding the removal of the backstop) in ways which the EU will not agree to. 2/
If that's right, we will be heading towards a 'no deal' Brexit at the end of October. Those who oppose that have, I think, to do (at least) two things. 3/
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