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tony nog #FBPE @tony_nog
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key question for any "will of the people" #Brexit debate
If we had cut through the irresponsible lies of #Brexit leaders & if people had realised what we now know, that all Brexits make us poorer & weaker for at least 10 years

Does anyone *really* think Leave would have won?
Never mind "the public didn't believe project fear", this is reality and yes, for many people they don't care about economic impacts

But not 52% - 52% did not believe we would be poorer & weaker and voted Leave anyway

Leave would never have won & would never win again if the public knew the reality of #Brexit

The only strategy they have is to lie that WTO/crash out/no deal is perfectly acceptable & reasonable & mislead people with "World Trade Deal" bullshit

#Brexit makes us poorer
It may make us richer in 10-20-50 years time, but it makes us poorer for the next 10

The more independence we want the poorer we will be

If the public vote Leave *knowing that fact* then OK
But anything else is a flawed result

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1) You have a mortgage, several credit cards & a pay day loan so you go to the bank to restructure your finances

You can't get to an agreement & you can't afford the payments so you stop paying

But you still have the debt & now a busted credit score

This is no deal & the £39b
2) there's this idea that we save £39b if we #Brexit with no deal.
The obligation still exists, we've already agreed this. We're not "buying a deal" we're meeting commitments.
If we crash out & don't pay we're just sending a message, the UK is untrustworthy as well as incompetent
3) if you're the kind of person who thinks it's OK for the UK to walk away from a debt its already agreed to then you're probably the kind of person who doesn't pay his fair share of a meal, or gets his round in, or returns that borrowed drill

A bit of a shit basically
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1) There is one reason why remainers have "bashed Corbyn" and its this

Because its always been obvious that Labour represented a large & growing Remain group, and that Corbyn was pro #Brexit, working against that Remain attitude

It's not rocket science
theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
2) Corbyn "Remainers" have continously reinterpreted Corbyn's words, projected their beliefs onto him, pressed on "the long game", stated "he's just following policy", said "he hasn't the numbers" and generally gone through hoops to avoid the obvious truth - Corbyn is a brexiter
3) instead of making statements like "#FBPE is a Corbyn bashing cult" it would be more honest to recognise that Corbyn is against his party & membership on #Brexit, the biggest issue of the age, and always has been. And this is a disgrace

Defending him on this is also a disgrace
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1) the Main democratic outrage of #Brexit was the question

There's lots of talk about how a #PeoplesVote would be a democractic outrage but the reality is the major democratic disaster was the Leave/Remain referendum question

And sooner or later we're going to have to face it
2) the problem is "Leave" as an option is a blank canvas, but when examined it always, in any analysis, breaks out into at least 2 very different versions
a) a deal which prioritises the economy over sovereignty
b) a deal which does the reverse
And they are irreconcilable
3) and the entire reason for the mess that we're in now is because sufficient numbers of public figures have been too cowardly, cynical or stupid to accept this fundamental division in Leave options
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The BBC is preparing to move its channel licences, in order to keep its ability to broadcast outside of the UK.

As a result of an impending no-deal Brexit, the BBC is looking at having its international channels licensed in either the Republic of Ireland or The Netherlands.
BBC's current licences issued by Ofcom are now highly likely to be no longer be valid for broadcast outside of the UK from the end of March 2019.
Many international broadcasters are now in the process of moving their regulatory bases out of London, ending London's dominance as Europe's main broadcasting hub.  #Brexit
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I am sick of hearing warnings about how if #Brexit is cancelled it will result in violence and therefore we should go ahead with brexit through fear of racists
A lot of this comes from the right who know their project #Brexit is falling apart but whoever now expects anything better or indeed anything good at all from them. It's when you hear it from left wingers it really angers me
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1) EU leaders sticking to their sombre tone at #Brexit summit. Not happy UK leaving
2) At same time they’re trying to help the PM sell her deal back home. EU chief negotiator Barnier called it an unprecedented, ambitious partnership. Dutch PM Rutte said the PM ‘fought hard’ in negotiations and that it’s a ‘good deal’
3) Of course EU realises the deal may not pass through U.K. parliament but EU leaders today underlined, whatever happened, they would not fundamentally change the deal on offer. EU Commission President Juncker spelled this out particularly clearly
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1) It’s 7.30 pm in Brussels and the political declaration on the future EU - U.K. relationship - scheduled to be pretty much finished today is not yet complete. Negotiations are ongoing
2) The PM is coming to Brussels tomorrow to discuss the text. She’s expected to push for some sense of her Chequers plan for #Brexit to be recognisable in the document
3) But now she’s not the only party doing the pushing. Spain is making demands over Gibraltar and France is fighting for fishing rights in U.K. waters after Brexit
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1. Worst national leadership in my lifetime forcing through the most damaging, misguided & missold policy I can remember. Ideology & vested self interest replace statesmanship, soundbites replace sound judgement & autocracy subverts democracy.
#Brexit harms us irreparably #FBPE
2. A flawed Leave campaign based on lies, deceit, disingenuity & over simplification & a #Remain one fought w/o any positivity from the Govt & no real commitment from Labour, whose leader was virtually AWOL, did no justice to #Brexit complexity & betrayed our democratic process.
3. A mere 37% of voters/26.5% of the Ppl voted leave in a legally Non-Binding test of public opinion which has been corrupted, on the basis of an illegitimate political promise & interpreted as being the irrefutable Will of the Ppl.
The 1st is insufficient to claim the latter!
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